30 dead in Turkish Kurdistan town near Syria-- Isis suspected

Until not too long ago, Galloway was considered a fairly typical Social Democrat. Nevermind that the Labour Party UK still plays ethnic nepotism games.

Now to be fair, the dynamics between Muslims and Non-Muslims are vastly different in the UK and the US than in the Netherlands, France or Germany: In Anglo-Saxon countries, Muslims (at least nominally speaking) tend to be genuinely progressive and educated, in stark contrast with Continental Europe.
 
Was that before or after Galloway was literally thrown out of the Labour Party?

And no, Muslims are basically the same everywhere in Western Europe and the US. The difference is in the amount of Islamophobia present in various countries. That statement seems to be something Geert Wilders would say.
 
The Netherlands was actually one of the countries that directly made wealth out of killing and extorting muslim populations in their indonesian colonies, so the stance of their politicians on this is more hypocritic than most.
 
BBC and Reuters report that ISIS and Turkish soldiers are exchanging fire at a border crossing near Kilis. Small arms fire from ISIS killed one Turkish soldier and wounded two others; a Turkish armor platoon returned fire, and later recovered the body of one ISIS soldier. The fight may have started when the Turkish border guards killed two Syrian civilians.
 
Was that before or after Galloway was literally thrown out of the Labour Party?
Wait, is someone taking this George Galloway seriously on anything?

Link to video.


Whatever sanity Galloway had has long ago set sail for greener pastures.
 
ı will be fair and attribute the 20 minutes of connection troubles to the server change the CFC has gone through .

after the suicide attack and the seperatist "responses" that kinda drew people mad -without any challenge that deserved to be called a challenge- a splendid moment happened in one of those TV debates . Those of us who didn't know already learned that the present day Jihad originated from the debates of the 1900s , basically armed Arabian Nationalism against the Ottomans . Unacceptable ; hence a guy of the New Turkey immediately jumped in with the thing the guy who invented the Vahhabism had an English spy that handled him and the resulting perversion from Islam . See , it's like impossible to avoid the thing that the Saudis are like godless enemies of Islam but they are also a "friend" and , far more to the point , a creditor of the New Turkey . Damn the Ingiliz spying and welcome their assets our brothers in Faith ! And if you think this is hypocracy , ain't this proof that you are an Ingiliz spy ..? Those who were raised to kill Ottomans because of heresies that included stuff like Tanzimat later justified oil concessions with the basic notion that Christian were simply cousins to Arabs ... Which lovingly brought forward another outburst about how the British were behind all the evil like ever .

as for seperatist responses it was so like the 90s . With every news report replete with stories on how the seperatists burned another truck ot two , or killed this policeman or that policeman ı found myself in trouble with my readily apparent "calm" , that one can dislike the seperatists like hell without blindly hating them , 'cause as you know while it's kinda overblown in the Star Wars hate indeed leads to "easy" mistakes . Back then it would be my late father , this time my mother . Noticing my unconvinced attitude . As it's custom these days , always talk and no action . It's indeed noticeable that luck or fate "diverted" a seperatist MP , who had to attend a funeral or he too would have been torn asunder in that suicide attack . What are the odds of a Taiwanese woman becoming the wife of a Turkish policeman and losing her husband to a seperatist ambush even when he's just a guy working the traffic ? Now that repeated elections are a higher possibility with each passing day we learn the seperatist have conducted some 1000 illegal acts since the beginning of 2015 . The prevalent tone being that they were spoilt too much . Even remarked by a regional chief of the Hülya Koçyiğit and just a few are not traitors committee . He could have noticed that kind of laissez faire would do no good years ago and all by himself , if he hadn't wasted his time with taking the "Let's see that idiot called r16 on the street" tour . Oh yeah , there seems to be such a thing , now that ı would see all those brilliant people on the streets ... His time was though not entirely wasted ; he definitely looks one those "more Muslim" than anybody else types who talked and acted for a new kind of Turkey where ISIL could use to best advantage . Freedom fighters from Syria have long been brought to Turkish hospitals and you wouldn't see them on TV only because Kurdish mobs would be so ready to lynch bearded types and that's only because the current Western narrative needs to portray the Kurds as moderates who respect every posssible humane consideration ... America then decided the "Turkish" thing for Syria has stalled and needs a boost and orders go to the border crossings to refuse the wounded ... And this idiot of an ISIL member with his AK and RPG gets mad when his wounded pal can not get in and now that he like owns the country , opens fire and kills this soldier . Gets killed in return and his 4 pals escape . From fire that includes the 4 tanks situated there . This is the attack of ISIL that threatens Turkey so much that Ankara has asked for Article 4 from NATO .

because you know , Ray Odierno has said ISIL will be kept alive for the next 15-20 years and it's an eerie silence that greets the relentless expansion of the borders of 'stan and some sort of lullabies are like totally necessary that the New Turkey should prove it can fight ... Right through to Article 4 so that , the undeclarable No Fly Zone can be extended further from the edges of AIM-9X envelope as forced by the hiding of the glorious Turkish F-16s from Syrians who can still fire back . To be kept by the USAF so that Esad will be prove the a regular dumb Ayrab and fire on the like Snow White innocent Westerners so that NATO will come and conquer dumb Ayrabland for Ankara . You know , so that we will be content to give away the country then ... Germans already b_tching about how bombing ISIL is sehr gut but so bad against the Kurds ... My heartfelt apologies to the Italian Foreign Minister who will be like forever remembered for his statement that the use of Incirlik to bomb the ISIL is like a total victory or something ; wasn't here on Friday . My mum had a knee surgery . Italians do not read newspapers ; especially those with news about Ray Odierno ?
 
ah , surely nobody has ever missed my ranting , but let's bring this back from page 2 . We are like gone to war against ISIL , and seperatists at the same time , the TVs and newspapers assure us . The seperatists have been attacking here and there and the exchange ratio does not exactly favor this country and ı naturally see an old newspaper lying on my path . From the days when it was fashionable to suggest a coup-plotter was from a certain province and the seperatists had attacked the military to make an impression on the court proceedings . More to the point , the newspaper is in a red hue , that like looks like blood . Completely mystified now , am ı supposed to scuttle the coalition talks now that the coup-plotter is out of jail and a MP ? As if they would result in anything -with or without me ... See what happens when you happen to be true in your wild guessing and stuff ...
 
By separatists r16 means Kurds, btw ;)

I think that this won't have a nice ending. I mean if there is also an ongoing war against the kurdish people then a new round of riots will be far nastier.

In the longrun it is not realistic to expect no Kurdistan to form, in eastern Turkey as well as parts of Syria and Iraq.
 
We are like gone to war against ISIL , and seperatists at the same time , the TVs and newspapers assure us .

From what I'm reading the Turkish military are primarily targeting PKK. No mention of IS targets. Not something NATO will support, and indeed there has been a press release urging Turkey to use caution. Technically, of course, any IS attack on Turkey could invoke the all-nations-defense clause. I don't believe this extends to a movement that is actually present in a member nation, such as PKK.
 
See what happens when you happen to be true in your wild guessing and stuff ...
Why should you be any different? :p

From what I'm reading the Turkish military are primarily targeting PKK. No mention of IS targets. Not something NATO will support, and indeed there has been a press release urging Turkey to use caution. Technically, of course, any IS attack on Turkey could invoke the all-nations-defense clause. I don't believe this extends to a movement that is actually present in a member nation, such as PKK.
Because sanctioned state terrorism is quite different than unsanctioned state terrorism.
 
the "war" started with a couple of air attacks on ISIL , quickly turning on the seperatists , who are now indeed seperatists -encouraged by the obvious essence of the American efforts of the entire 21st Century . The entire Western mindset involves the establishment of a 'stan and let's say nobody will have the right to claim they were not told so , after what's to happen happens . As such we had the daily spectacle of an ISIL "engineer" team of 3 or 4 guys and an excavator digging an anti-tank trench for like a week . Now the famous "Rules of Engagement" call for destruction of hostiles that approach the borders and it is only fair to assume that those 3 or 4 guys would be dead 10 times over if they were of Damascus . It was simply an hint that there was nothing serious about the effort and all those smart TV crews made it sure anybody and everybody understood that . Luckily that trench digger machine hit a mine they had laid , and a further eternal shame for the country has been eradicated ...

and mind you , the raids on the seperatists are a TV show as well , meant for the elections , possibly on November . That's a reason of sorts why the NATO meeting was such a sham . Instead of declaring support for Turkish policy , it was just a moment of yawning with the Secretary General talked against ISIL in words and offered no support for an invasion of Syria . Anyone reading the news must have seen the first "Division" sent "overseas" has seen 50 losses to El Kaide , with 2 effectives remaining , starting with 52 men ... America sezs it will now save the Turkomans who are supposed to hold the 110 kilometers between the two sections of Syria under the control of seperatists , leading a quite assured possibility of toppling Esad under this undeclared No-Fly Zone .

and the best part of the NATO meeting was of course was the part where we learned we were the second strongest member of NATO , a superbly polite way of using the F word ... Even when the Chicoms and Moskof Empire and the Martians roll in , NATO will cheer on from the side .
 
^Well in numbers Turkey indeed has the second largest army in Nato, so that is just correct.

But the western plan to form the 'Stan will not be stopped by No-Fly wag-the-dog and hiding things in trashcans. One can expect the smarties to pretend to play along, up until things get real, and then they will blame the separatists, as in the New Turkey way.
And i suppose not having web connection for 5 min was just incidental and nothing to do with El Kaide covert-op during the machine that somehow fell on the landmine it was told that they should avoid at all cost.
 
if you are really bored , you can get a moment of bliss through the news that ISIL has two glossy magazines , one named after Armageddon ; now that you wouldn't be surprised to hear the ISIL dudes are just neo-cons in an Islamist or something setting . The second is called Konstantiniyye and guess what it espouses . Indeed right , it claims Muslims have not yet conquered that particular city and shortly will ... It's said the "war" began after the 2nd issue , where they declared they would do so soon .

and of course you are not blaming me for laying mines , now that it's obviously some westerner team like the SAS or Green Berets .
 
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