pineappledan
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Won't adding more yields on tiles make Brazil even more similar to Polynesia? Polynesia boosts Atolls and fishing boats, and has a big 
UI.
Based on the game results we are getting back, a nerf to Brazil's
would be warranted without giving them a compensatory boost like 
GAP on tiles.
Pros for Wide Brazil:
- More GAPs from more cities, and your GA meter doesn't scale with empire size, so wide play results in more GAs overall.
- Wide makes use of the
needs reduction. This part of the UI doesn't do much if you stay small.
- The Brazilwood Camp putson tiles that can be converted into later, and UIs need land to be placed, so they tend to push wide.
Cons for Wide Brazil:
- Because of the empire size modifier, the instanttourism from GAs starting is weaker.
- The Bandeirantes' yields from exploration have more impact on a small empire because of
% empire size modifiers.
- You only need 7 Brazilwood camps on empire to get enough copies of Brazilwood to trade with everyone on standard, so a large portion of the UI's power plateaus after only 2-3 cities' worth of BW camps
% empire size modifiers. Wide CV has more total , so it's more 'defensive'. It's safer and slower than the small CV empire. But as a result of being slower, wide CV is vulnerable to being beaten by other victory types.
The problem is that wide CV strat is almost pure defense until Hotels, which gives the first 25% converter, and then doesn't get another boost until atomic. We just took out a big wide tourism bonus last version as well: the Instant 4000 per city from the Arena/zoo/stadium construction yields. This is why I want to add a 25% / tile converter to Artistry, because tile-based culture is far too late and far too small right now, and it's not contributing to CVs. We have this entire mechanic that we basically aren't using right now.
UI.Based on the game results we are getting back, a nerf to Brazil's
would be warranted without giving them a compensatory boost like GAP on tiles.Pros for Wide Brazil:
- More
GAPs from more cities, and your GA meter doesn't scale with empire size, so wide play results in more GAs overall.- Wide makes use of the
needs reduction. This part of the UI doesn't do much if you stay small.- The Brazilwood Camp puts
on tiles that can be converted into later, and UIs need land to be placed, so they tend to push wide.Cons for Wide Brazil:
- Because of the empire size modifier, the instant
tourism from GAs starting is weaker.- The Bandeirantes' yields from exploration have more impact on a small empire because of
% empire size modifiers.- You only need 7 Brazilwood camps on empire to get enough copies of Brazilwood to trade with everyone on standard, so a large portion of the UI's power plateaus after only 2-3 cities' worth of BW camps
I think that speed is a big part of the perception. small tall CV is faster, because it takes advantage of
% empire size modifiers. Wide CV has more total , so it's more 'defensive'. It's safer and slower than the small CV empire. But as a result of being slower, wide CV is vulnerable to being beaten by other victory types.The problem is that wide CV strat is almost pure defense until Hotels, which gives the first 25% converter, and then doesn't get another boost until atomic. We just took out a big wide tourism bonus last version as well: the Instant 4000
per city from the Arena/zoo/stadium construction yields. This is why I want to add a 25% / tile converter to Artistry, because tile-based culture is far too late and far too small right now, and it's not contributing to CVs. We have this entire mechanic that we basically aren't using right now.
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CS within 3 tiles). That UI gives them a trait similar to Shoshone's and Japan's. Brazil has no extra militaristic capability, and its UU is even an utility one, instead of the usual combat focus of most UUs, Polynesia's included. This alone is a major differentiation between the two civs, and I never see people mentioning Polynesia's defensive capability as a restriction on how to balance either Shoshone or Japan.
