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6 year old is on terror list

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by druidravi, Jun 28, 2010.

  1. druidravi

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    http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/6-year-old-indian-american-girl-on-us-terror-list-34316

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    Santhosh Thomas, an Indian-American doctor, is at a loss to understand how his six-year-old daughter Alyssa turned up on the US government's terror watch-list or how to get her off it.

    The worst thing Alyssa has ever done is probably threatening her sister and that the doctor from Westlake, Ohio, says he's sure is not enough to land her on the no-fly list of suspected terrorists.

    "She may have threatened her sister, but I don't think that constitutes Homeland Security triggers," Thomas told CNN.

    An airline ticket agent informed the family of their predicament when they embarked on recent trip from Cleveland to Minneapolis. "They said, 'Well, she's on the list.' We're like, okay, what's the story? What do we have to do to get off the list? This isn't exactly the list we want to be on," Thomas was quoted as saying.



    The Thomases were allowed to fly that day, but authorities told them to contact the US Department of Homeland Security to clear up the matter. Now they've received a letter from the government addressed to 6-year-old Alyssa, telling her that nothing in her file will be changed.

    Federal authorities have acknowledged that such a no-fly list exists, but as a matter of national security, they won't comment on whose names are on it nor why.

    "The watch lists are an important layer of security to prevent individuals with known or suspected ties to terrorism from flying," an unnamed spokesman for the Transportation Security Administration told Fox News.

    "She's been flying since she was two-months old, so that has not been an issue," Alyssa's dad said. "In fact, we had travelled to Mexico in February and there were no issues at that time."

    That's likely because of a recent change by the Transportation Security Administration, which used to check only international passengers' names against the no-fly list, but since earlier this month has been checking domestic passengers as well.

    The Thomases told CNN they plan to appeal against Alyssa's status to the US Department of Homeland Security again, and will be sure to leave plenty of extra time for check-in the next time they fly.





    How do they make this list and what could one do as a 6 year old do to get into terror list. Note that none of her parents are in the list nor does she have a suspicious 'Moslim' sounding name .
     
  2. Bugfatty300

    Bugfatty300 Buddha Squirrel

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    There's probably someone somewhere who shares this six year-old's exact same name who has done something to garner suspicion or whatever and thus her name brings up a hit. It happens all the time with NICS.

    Unfortunately I don't think there is any legal way you can appeal if there is mistake and you wind up on the carved-in-stone terrorist list. Once you're on it, you're on it.
     
  3. Mise

    Mise isle of lucy

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    "Alyssa Thomas" doesn't even sound like a terrorist's name :rolleyes:
     
  4. amadeus

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    So even if you appear on the list you can still get on the plane... WHY THE HELL HAVE A LIST THEN!?!? :mad:

    Just abolish the damn thing already. It's not like any of the grade-school dropouts working for the TSA are going to stop terrorists anyway.
     
  5. Ayn Rand

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    PResumably the real terrorist called Alyssa Thomas has gone into hiding on reading this.
     
  6. aronnax

    aronnax Let your spirit be free

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    The stupid thing about a no-fly list is that you can easily avoid it by legally changing your name as many people have done, inconvenienced by a no-fly list.
     
  7. Ayn Rand

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    Another thing, if terrorists are so dangerous that they can't be allowed onto a plane, then exactly why are they freely walking around doing whatever they want? They are either dangerous or they're not, right?

    So we have this list of people who are such dangerous terrorists that they can't be allowed on a plane, but we're not going to arrest them or anything. And if they change their name they can get on a plane anyway. I feel safe.
     
  8. Yeekim

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    "Land of the free" does not have personal identification codes? :rolleyes:
    What happens if "James Smith" lands on such a list?
     
  9. FriendlyFire

    FriendlyFire Codex WMDicanious

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    We cant even stop people on the "terrorist watch" list from getting assualt rifles, pistols, grenades and explosives. Look on the bright side they manage to stop senator Kennedy so they must be doing something right.
     
  10. Bill3000

    Bill3000 OOOH NOOOOOOO! Supporter

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    To be fair, 6 year olds are terrors.
     
  11. Formaldehyde

    Formaldehyde Both Fair And Balanced

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    There sure are a lot of supposed terrorists out there:

    http://www.aclu.org/technology-and-liberty/terror-watch-list-counter-million-plus

    And if you are famous enough you can indeed get taken off the list, as Senator Ted Kennedy eventually managed to do. Or even if it requires an act of Congress, as it did with Nelson Mandella:

    http://www.aclu.org/technology-and-liberty/unlikely-suspects
     
  12. Karalysia

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    Eventually everyone's name is going to be on the list. And then we're right back to square one. I guess we'll have to start over with a super terrorist list, and then a hyper terrorist list after that. Hyper Terror Watch List #25
     
  13. west india man

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    Karalysia, can you go back to being communist? It was funnier then. Also, they're going to end up putting all suspected communists/socialists (such as me) on the stupid list.
     
  14. JollyRoger

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    That brat kicked the back of my seat one too many times. She needs to stay on that list for life.
     
  15. GamezRule

    GamezRule Inconceivable!

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    Wow, corrupt much?
     
  16. GhostWriter16

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    until you add ist on the end;)

    EDIT: No, none of Karalysia's parodying is funny. Just say what you genuinely believe. Parodying is for April 1 only.
     
  17. Duo

    Duo Stay out of my territory.

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    ...terrorsist?
     
  18. GhostWriter16

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  19. _random_

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    Tell that to Glenn Beck....

    Anyway, this whole incident kind of reminds me of that one Ahmed Ahmed routine (Go to about 1:35)

    Link to video.
     
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    Glenn Beck believes what he says.
     

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