67 wounded in Qassam attack

[soul_warrior]

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Rocket launched from northern Gaza lands in western Negev military base, injures dozens of soldiers, the largest number of casualties from a Qassam attack.

so, ill refrain from the angry rants...

why do you think this happeneed now (2 days before the jewish new year)?
peace -a foolish illusion or does it have a chance?

and i was starting to have vague feelings of safety

as usual, i think this, as well as all other terrorist acts, are very much premeditated.
i also sort of welcome it back, as it is my belief that peace with the philistines will never happen.
maybe this is what is needed for israel to go a little Karayzee.
which mean ill have to start packing my bag, as ill be drafted 3 minutes before that.

===what a marvelous way to celebrate my 5K....

 

[FriendlyFire]

Gaza have painted themselves in a corner. (even more of a corner). I cannot see any viability of a gaza state. Its only hasnt totally collapsed because of the goodwill of the UN and Isreal.

But we cannot bring us to cut of the last remain aid which would amount to literally mass starvation. So instead we have the status co screwed up as it is. Gaza cannot last much longer with the way things are going.

 

[nivi]

Why now? Pure dumb luck (misfortune). Kassam are a statistical weapon, and with several launched every day for the last couple of years, and a few thousands overall (not to mentions mortars), this has been sadly overdue.


Peace? Not for a long time. A very long time I guess.

 

[soul_warrior]

Why now? Pure dumb luck (misfortune). Kassam are a statistical weapon, and with several launched every day for the last couple of years, and a few thousands overall (not to mentions mortars), this has been sadly overdue.


Peace? Not for a long time. A very long time I guess.

i dont agree about the "dumb luck" thing.
zikim base (which is where i did my basic training back in the day) is a prime target for them.
and IIRC, it hasnt been bombed yet.

i believe this was no luck (in the targeting aspect), though to have so many wounded, is indeed a statistical event.

 

[nivi]

The base has been bombed before, at least once that I remember when there was a great anger about it. When they want to targer specific locations (mainly the passes) they use mortars.

 

[Godwynn]

Is there a reason why a missile was launched?

Or is it still the basic entice-Israel-until-they-respond-so-Anti-Israel-protests-will-gather-support-from-London-and-San-Francisco?

 

[nivi]

As I said, palestinians have been launching several kassam rockets (and a few mortars too) a day ever since the Gaza pullout (they have launched them before but in far fewer numbers). They have at times fired for "special" reasons, like the recent start of the new school year in 7:30 am to catch kids going to school, which caused schools in Sderot to go on strike.

 

[soul_warrior]

Is there a reason why a missile was launched?

Or is it still the basic entice-Israel-until-they-respond-so-Anti-Israel-protests-will-gather-support-from-London-and-San-Francisco?

as it is 2 days prior to the jewish new year, a MAJOR holiday, i guess it was done just to spite and anger us.

doing a dang good job at it, too

 

[Enkidu Warrior]

Wow, most of you are talking like Israel never attacks the Gaza Strip, and I dare say you wouldn't be asking these drama queen questions if this was an Israeli attack (in that case it would be a different set of people acting in a similarly juvenile way).

I agree with Nivi, unfortunately these attacks happen all the time, it's just that the Palestinians don't quite have the accuracy of the IDF, so they need to get lucky. I'm just glad civilians were left out of it for once.

Peace would have more of a chance if BOTH sides (and their respective cheerleaders) stopped pretending that what the other side does is somehow incomparable to what they themselves do.

 

[Godwynn]

Wow, most of you are talking like Israel never attacks the Gaza Strip

I am hoping that they will.

 

[Enkidu Warrior]

I am hoping that they will.

And you're still wondering why this rocket was launched?

 

[soul_warrior]

enkidu, lets agree that we are in disagreement

personally, and from personal experience, i believe that the philistines have respect for one thing, and one thing only.
brut force, baby, all the way.

as long as israel "tolerates" the bombings, they keep pushing the envelope till we retaliate.
at which point its " the mighty zionist empire has struck the feeble and weak us. its not us that are the agressors, see we cant even make proper rockets "

2 years ago, when israel went after the west bank, we still have relative quiet from that front.

alas, gaza is a whole new nut basket.
going in will hurt. in many places we did not even know we had.

i do agree with you that if both leaderships met as equals, and with real intent for peace, i might be achieved i my lifetime.
but as i see it both "goverments" can assure me of one thing only - continuation of the conflict.

 

[nivi]

And you're still wondering why this rocket was launched?

This doesn't have a whole lot to do with anything. Islamic Jihad (the group which fires the most rockets by far) has been launching rockets non-stop, which is the main thing they do ever since the disengagement, with dis-regard to any events in peace making.

 

[Enkidu Warrior]

This doesn't have a whole lot to do with anything. Islamic Jihad (the group which fires the most rockets by far) has been launching rockets non-stop, which is the main thing they do ever since the disengagement, with dis-regard to any events in peace making.

I'm pretty sure the poster I was responding to has maintained much the same attitude towards the Palestinians since the disengagement, with disregard to any events in peacemaking. I'm not saying he is individually responsible for the attacks, but that his mindset is precisely responsible for the continuing violence.

I don't get how people can condemn violence, then cheer it a few days later.

 

[soul_warrior]

I'm pretty sure the poster I was responding to has maintained much the same attitude towards the Palestinians since the disengagement, with disregard to any events in peacemaking. I'm not saying he is individually responsible for the attacks, but that his mindset is precisely responsible for the continuing violence.

I don't get how people can condemn violence, then cheer it a few days later.

i do not want, nor need violence.
i dont want to hurt anyone, palestinian or otherwise.

it is my belief that if the philistines will stop the terror campagn Israel will cool it.
when this happens, and the palestian economy is allowed to grow, both peoples will prosper.

i am israeli.
i do live here.
and yes, i am biased.

that said, i stand by my earlier statement that the philistines only understand strength.

as does the rest of the world.

* lets assume a horrid scenario.
the canadians rise up in defiance and start bombing and rocketing detroit.
how long till the marines take out canada? or atleast the offending city?
id hazard a guess at - not bleeding long.

again, i would love it if we had a secure, peaceful border with the arabs.
we do not.
and if i need to bleed some noses for the point to be taken, so be it.

 

[skadistic]

I don't get how people can condemn violence, then cheer it a few days later.

Because you equate all violence in some form of relativism.

For evil to reign good men need only do nothing.

See the pallies target civilians and specifically children. They do this daily and the IDF do nothing in the vast majority of attacks. They come daily. When the IDF do fight back they target the terrorists. For some reason you seem to think children getting rockets shot at them is the same as child killers getting shot at.

 

[Godwynn]

And you're still wondering why this rocket was launched?

Yes, Israel pulled out of Gaza and the West Bank, and still those damn terrorists aim for children. I have no sympathy for them anymore. I used to blame both side, now I understand what Israelites must go through day after day.

 

[Cromat]

Wow, most of you are talking like Israel never attacks the Gaza Strip, and I dare say you wouldn't be asking these drama queen questions if this was an Israeli attack (in that case it would be a different set of people acting in a similarly juvenile way).

I agree with Nivi, unfortunately these attacks happen all the time, it's just that the Palestinians don't quite have the accuracy of the IDF, so they need to get lucky. I'm just glad civilians were left out of it for once.

Peace would have more of a chance if BOTH sides (and their respective cheerleaders) stopped pretending that what the other side does is somehow incomparable to what they themselves do.

Oh come on. I'm not asking you to start loving Israel, but lets look at the facts of this conflict right now.

Israel withdrew it's military and population from the Gaza Strip, giving Palestinians independence for the first time. Since then the Palestinians have launched non-stop missile attacks against southern Israel.
The weapons are crude but are steadily improving.
These missiles are not "resistance" because there is nothing to resist. The occupation in Gaza is over. Everything and anything Israel has done in Gaza since 2005 is retaliation and trying to contain that threat.
The Palestinians elected a fundementalist Islamic party, who recently performed a military coup basically banning the largest opposition party from Gaza. They split Gaza and the West Bank into two different political entities, pretty much ruining the prospect of a Palestinian state in the forseeable future.
In the past year, alot more Palestinians have died in their internal civil war than in conflict with Israel.

How can this seem even remotely acceptable to anyone? The Palestinians took the opprotunity they were given in 2005 and dumped it in the trash - again.
Lets not forget, the percentage of Israelis who support a far-reaching peace agreement based on the 1967 borders has hovered around 60%-70% for years now, and the two state solution has been adopted by every Israeli government since 1992.

 

[GoodEnoughForMe]

Israel obviously attacked themselves in order to make them look like the perfectly innocent people that the Palestinians really are. I mean, for cryin' out loud Israel, think of the little children.

 

[Enkidu Warrior]

Oh come on. I'm not asking you to start loving Israel, but lets look at the facts of this conflict right now.

Sure.

Israel withdrew it's military and population from the Gaza Strip, giving Palestinians independence for the first time.

That's great, though describing Gaza as independant is complete nonsense. Gaza exists and survives at the whims of the Israeli's, has absolutely no semblance of sovereignty and is completely hermetically sealed. I suppose you would be willing to surrender control of your coast, land borders and all of your airspace to a nation that has brutally occupied your lands without feeling a bit sore about it, right? I can completely understand why Israel would want to do this, in fact I can't imagine anyone acting differently, but lets not imagine that the Palestinians have no grievences to complain about.

Since then the Palestinians have launched non-stop missile attacks against southern Israel.
The weapons are crude but are steadily improving.
These missiles are not "resistance" because there is nothing to resist. The occupation in Gaza is over. Everything and anything Israel has done in Gaza since 2005 is retaliation and trying to contain that threat.

Nothing to resist? I'd agree that indiscriminately fired missiles are not a legitimate nor effective method of resistance, but neither the Palestinians nor the Israeli's will ever be short on what they would see as justifications for violent revenge. The methods that the Israeli military view as acceptable in order to guarantee their safety result in intolerable living conditions for innocent Gazan's. The IDF may not have the intent to kill children, but that doesn't stop them killing them at their school desks while trying to maintain their own particular brand of security.

Everything and anything Israel has done in Gaza since 2005 is retaliation and trying to contain that threat.

Everything both sides have ever done in this conflict has been retaliation from their perspective.

The Palestinians elected a fundementalist Islamic party, who recently performed a military coup basically banning the largest opposition party from Gaza. They split Gaza and the West Bank into two different political entities, pretty much ruining the prospect of a Palestinian state in the forseeable future.
In the past year, alot more Palestinians have died in their internal civil war than in conflict with Israel.

Regrettable, but not really relevant. You can hardly expect a soceity that's been kept prisoner and brutalised for half a century to be completely stable and sensible. Just as you couldn't expect Israeli soceity to be pacifist.

How can this seem even remotely acceptable to anyone? The Palestinians took the opprotunity they were given in 2005 and dumped it in the trash - again.
Lets not forget, the percentage of Israelis who support a far-reaching peace agreement based on the 1967 borders has hovered around 60%-70% for years now, and the two state solution has been adopted by every Israeli government since 1992.

Both soceities overwhelmingly want peace, they always do, albeit on their terms. A particular problem in this case is that one party is negotiating from a position of overwhelming strength, which makes the chances of them arriving at a solution acceptable to the populaces of both sides very slim. The Palestinian leadership is not in a position to demand the kind of concessions that their populace would be able to accept, and the Israeli's are not in a position to give it. Let's not pretend that the Israeli's are offering the Palestinians everything on a silver platter. They've only occasionally been willing to even talk to the Palestinians over the last few years. Both sides make for horrendous peacemakers.