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6otM41 Opening Action

Discussion in 'Civ6 - Game Of The Month' started by leif erikson, Jun 14, 2018.

  1. leif erikson

    leif erikson Game of the Month Fanatic Administrator Supporter GOTM Staff

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    Welcome to the 6otM41 Opening Actions thread.

    STOP - Please do not continue reading this thread until you have completed at least 80 to 100 turns in your game.

    This thread is used to discuss the game once you've started playing through your first 100 turns. Apart from normal decency, the only posting restrictions are to please not post videos until the deadline is finished and to use the spoiler tags for screenshots. Here you can post questions related to the game and share your achievements/anger/frustration/victories while you play. Please remember that we are running a family friendly site, so express anger or frustration with this in mind. :)

    Please use this thread to discuss your goals for the game and your opening moves through the first 100 turns. Anything after that should be posted in the After Actions thread once you have completed your game.

    - Where did you settle your capital city? Your second city?
    - What did you research and which policies did you choose and why?
    - What was your build order?
    - How long did it take to find your neighbors? Were they hostile or friendly?
    - How soon did you build a District? Which ones did you prioritize?
    - Did you try to build any Wonders?
    - Did you emphasize expansion? How many cities have you built/captured in the first 100 turns?
    - How quickly did you get Trade Routes working, who did you trade with?
    - How did you play your governance cards, priorities?
    - Which Governors did you choose and why did you choose them?
    - Was your first age a Dark Age? Did you take any Dark Age cards?
    - What City-States did you meet and which ones did you cultivate to your side?
    - How were the Barbarians?
    - Any surprises?

    Please use spoiler tags for any surprise details you'd like kept hidden. Thanks.
     
  2. BarbarianHunter

    BarbarianHunter Chieftain

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    Well, that was quick. I surrender.
    Spoiler :
    Sid Meier's Civilization VI (DX11) 6_14_2018 9_28_47 PM.png
     
  3. leif erikson

    leif erikson Game of the Month Fanatic Administrator Supporter GOTM Staff

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    Sorry to see that happen. The AI is unpredictable as I tested it twice and both times, China was peaceful towards me. :crazyeye:

    edit - while I prepared to get them, of course. :mischief:
     
  4. BarbarianHunter

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    No problem at all. On deity level especially, it's been known to happen :lol:.

    I had the same idea. I think I attracted their ire with the forward settle near Jiaodong.
     
  5. leif erikson

    leif erikson Game of the Month Fanatic Administrator Supporter GOTM Staff

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  6. cas

    cas Chieftain

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    T92 - good place to stop since I just eliminated China.
    22spt/22.8cpt/18.4fpt/14.1gpt

    - Where did you settle your capital city? Your second city?
    Settled in place. 2nd city around the banana/deer/pig to the NNE.
    - What did you research and which policies did you choose and why?
    AH->mining->archery/BW. No iron in vicinity SUCKS. On to HBR for Varu. Normal policies (discipline->agoge, god king->urban planning).
    - What was your build order?
    scout-> worker->slingerx4 -> buy settler -> warriorx2->worker
    - How long did it take to find your neighbors? Were they hostile or friendly?
    my warrior went west/south so it took some time to meet China. Scout met Japan and Mongol along with some CS. China was positioning for war with Zanzibar when I declared around T45-50
    - How soon did you build a District? Which ones did you prioritize?
    I did not prioritize districts. First one was gov center in 2nd city to help with loyalty in China captured cities. I captured quite a few districts from China. Currently building a Campus in capital.
    - Did you try to build any Wonders?
    I only went for a late ToA in second city. Seems worth it. I prioritized units instead.
    - Did you emphasize expansion? How many cities have you built/captured in the first 100 turns?
    8 cities. 3 settled (1 captured settler), 5 Chinese captured. I'll have 4 more cities by T100 (monumentality GA + Goddess of Harvest)
    - How quickly did you get Trade Routes working, who did you trade with?
    only 1 trade route right now. 2nd coming online in 4 turns. Had to go internal route once I went to war with China (suz of Jerusalem).
    - How did you play your governance cards, priorities?
    Normal policies (discipline->agoge, god king->urban planning). I'm in Oligarchy. Will eventually move to Monarchy/Theocracy.
    - Which Governors did you choose and why did you choose them?
    Magnus-Amani(zanzibar)-Pingala-magnus2. Will get Liang next. Should have got Liang before Pingala. I used the governors in the war with China to avert loyalty rebellions.
    - Was your first age a Dark Age? Did you take any Dark Age cards?
    Barely made classical normal age (science one). Medieval Golden Age (monumentality for builders/settlers)
    - What City-States did you meet and which ones did you cultivate to your side?
    Met Jerusalem, Stockholm, Zanzibar, Preslav, Kandy. Japan conquered Kabul. Mongol conquered Valetta. I needed lux, so I went for suzerain of Zanzibar. Will be suzerain of Kandy next turn to fill in some map.
    - How were the Barbarians?
    Surprisingly tame. I eliminated a 3-4 camps, but not quickly. No hoards of horsemen thank goodness.
    - Any surprises?
    No iron in the vicinity, but Varu are really strong so it's ok.
    war with China took 40+ turns. :eek: I must have killed 15+ archers, 5 warriors, and 3-4 chariots

    Next actions: found 2nd city within 10 tiles of Japan so I can declare war of expansion. Great General coming in 5-10 turns. I'll try to take Japan with mostly Varu and some archers while I research towards Machinery/Xbows. Hope he doesn't get pikes soon. I'm still behind on science.
     
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  7. Chalcedon

    Chalcedon Chieftain

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    T100

    - Where did you settle your capital city? Your second city?
    Settled the capital on the cattle for the early yield, the second one with a stolen chinese settler N/E between the pigs and the river, quickly followed by a third one in the east, between the wine and the small lake, just to grab the land from further chinese settlement and the casus belli option later on.

    - What did you research and which policies did you choose and why?
    AH->Archery->Mining->Horseback Riding->Bronze
    Made the Mining detour for chops, bronze for more chops and to see wether there´s iron around. Actually there is. somewhere in the snow north of Jerusalem. :(
    For policies, I decided not to go for religion, which I would have liked, so I went Urban Planning/Discipline, struggled with the Craftmanship boost, didn´t find the three CSs for Political Philosophy... after that for military training into mercenaries.

    - What was your build order?
    3x Slinger (found a Scout in a goody hut), Settler, Builder, Archer

    - How long did it take to find your neighbors? Were they hostile or friendly?
    Found China early and took their Settler :D, but had to accept peace for just +4gpt as Quin kept throwing in Warrior waves, which my 3 Archers and the Warrior struggled to kill. Barbarians from the West and South made it an easy decision, as I bought some time as well to build up an infrastructure and use the Casus Belli later on.
    Japan remained neutral until I took Zanzibar before he could (he was already attacking), Mongolia is my buddy all game long, not caring about all the Varus and warning me about his 2nd agenda.

    - How soon did you build a District? Which ones did you prioritize?
    When peacing out Quin, I built 3 encampments to ensure an early GG, after that 2 CommHubs, GovPlaza and 2 Campi.

    - Did you try to build any Wonders?
    No, just about to finish a late Terracotta Army in China´s 2nd City, as I did not knew what else to build :lol:. As I started the war on Japan t100, some free promotions whilst fighting seem nice.

    - Did you emphasize expansion? How many cities have you built/captured in the first 100 turns?
    10. Built 5 (incl cap/stolen settler/1 late for the Casus Belli against Japan), Zanzibar, 4 from China.

    - How quickly did you get Trade Routes working, who did you trade with?
    Very quickly. Early on I traded with Zanzibar for a nice future road, after that, internally only, with 5 trade routes right now.

    - How did you play your governance cards, priorities?
    Most useful were Discipline and Ilkum early on, after that Maneouvre and Conscription, with a brief ProfArmy card for 4 Xbow upgrades. Used Oligarchy as well as I thought it (and the legacy card) would work on Varus:blush:

    - Which Governors did you choose and why did you choose them?
    Magnus (chops), Liang (charges), Pingala (+ science buildings + great people points).

    - Was your first age a Dark Age? Did you take any Dark Age cards?
    Normal Age (Monumentality, as I got a lot of Heurekas before), Golden Age (Free Inquiry, as I had a some CommHubs and I missed on God of Harvest and were low on Faith).

    - What City-States did you meet and which ones did you cultivate to your side?
    Zanzibar (conquered), Kumasi (souzed to annoy Hojo). At war with 3 (?) CSs which are on Japan´s side, Mongolia has taken some out.

    - How were the Barbarians?
    Early on really annoying, now I think they vanished to another coast or something. But I fear some new Invasion from the West/South West, as I am not intending to settle there soonish.

    - Any surprises?
    China building lots of Spearmen/units in general, plus they got the 1st GG, Varus with Arthashastra are reaaaally strong, someone making 17GS pts (Korea? Scotland?), few few CSs nearby.
     

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  8. playshogi

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    I have never won a deity domination victory on a continents map on any version of this game. Nor ever on deity Civ6 without reloading. So far as of turn 113-- I have not reloaded despite a major setback.
    - Where did you settle your capital city? Your second city?
    I settled on the east side of the river next to the chocolate that I haven't hooked up yet (turn 113).
    - What did you research and which policies did you choose and why?
    Bronze working was my first goal, to find out where the iron is and to build an encampment. Turns out you don't need iron nor horses for varu.
    After that, Horseback Riding for varu.
    - What was your build order?
    warrior, builder, settler -- The enemy was far enough away, it felt safe to do this. I got a scout from a hut. I don't build slingers anymore.
    - How long did it take to find your neighbors? Were they hostile or friendly?
    Found China and Mongolia right away, the latter was friendly because I didn't have cavalry, yet.
    - How soon did you build a District? Which ones did you prioritize?
    Encampment in the capital, right away after learning B.W.
    - Did you try to build any Wonders?
    No, China built my wonders. Ended up with, Temple of Artemis with 4 amenities, Great Library with the great works of writing included, Hanging Gardens. Japan built Oracle, so I expect to get that soon.
    - Did you emphasize expansion? How many cities have you built/captured in the first 100 turns?
    I built one settler and moved it north along the river. I needed the extra era point for aggressive city placement.
    I ended up with 6 by turn 113. 3 captured Chinese cities, my original 2 and 1 more from captured settler.
    - How quickly did you get Trade Routes working, who did you trade with?
    Not very quickly, I only used domestic routes and by turn 113 have 3 commercial hubs, but still need markets in them.
    - How did you play your governance cards, priorities?
    I start out with God-King to get a pantheon, but in this game all the good ones were taken. I ended up with open sky, (culture on pastures). China got the 4th religion, so I had Jesuit education in
    my cities which will make all the holy sites I'm capturing useful.
    I started out with oligarchy, but realized the diplomatic card was a waste, so I switched to Autocracy after building the Warlord's Throne.
    - Which Governors did you choose and why did you choose them?
    Magnus, first obviously for chopping varu. Lian 2nd, for the extra builder charge. Pingala, 3rd for my capital, total science and culture are pathetic. Reyna 4th because I needed a governor in the New Territories.
    I have 2 more promotions I haven't used yet. Not sure what to do with them.
    - Was your first age a Dark Age? Did you take any Dark Age cards?
    I was lucky to avoid the dark age, I was one turn late in clearing a barb camp, but I found the Dead Sea on the last turn of the ancient age.
    - What City-States did you meet and which ones did you cultivate to your side?
    I met Jerusalem and Zanzibar before they were conquered. After, I discovered the Dead Sea, I could see the outlines of another city-state in the distance,
    but it was conquered that very turn before I could meet it.
    I had to research Political Philosophy without the boost, but met an independent Stockholm just in time to benefit from the boost. So Stockholm got the envoys, by default. Every other CS was captured.
    - How were the Barbarians?
    peaceful, absolutely no trouble whatsoever. Very unlike when I play as Rome.
    - Any surprises?
    I suppose it shouldn't be a surprise to get declared on, when you settle a city 4 tiles away! China attacked me on the first turn of the classical. I felt comfortable with 3 warriors defending it,
    but it was not nearly enough.
    I bought another warrior and archer and lost it all including the city. I paid Mongolia 30 gold to go to war against China and they are still at war (turn 113).
    After I lost Hyderabad, Zanzibar(!) yellow-lined my capital, before their army disappeared. Mongolia captured Zanzibar, later flipping to Japan. China did not come after my capital.
    I could call this setback, the Lost City Gambit, because an emergency to recapture Hyderabad was declared. So, I patiently built 2 varu joining 3 warriors,
    then patiently waited some more to build a battering ram when walls went up in Chinese cities.
    I recaptured my city on the very last turn of the emergency! 2400 gold to me, because neither Mongolia nor Japan joined. I used it to buy 4 varu and a trader unit.
    Had I bought 2 archers and built a stepwell, I could have had a golden age, but I didn't think it was worth it without harvest goddess. I promptly lost 3 varu trying
    to capture Beijing with 3 others red-lined below 10 points of health, but eventually the city was mine and I agreed to peace for gold and 1 great work of writing.
    INTERLUDE: an unescorted Mongolian settler showed up next to my warrior on turn 99. White peace after 10 turns.
    Declared Territorial war about turn 102 and captured the Chinese capital in 2 turns, losing 2 more varu. Moved on and took Handan, but this was going in the wrong direction (from Japan).
    During this war I learned to pillage and retreat with 6-move(!) horsemen. Raid is a powerful policy! Pillaged mostly the Great Wall improvement (100 gold each with Raid) and a few mines.
    Decided to peace out and leave Jerusalem to China and redirect the army towards Japan.
     
  9. MrRadar

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    Well, this is probably the first time I write in the Opening Actions, usually I'm so late with starting and finishing a GOTM game, that I skip this stage, but this game got so exciting that I'll take the trouble :) I've already reached T150+.

    - Where did you settle your capital city? Your second city?
    I moved east over the river, close to chocolate. Second city up towards the first target – the Chinese.

    - What did you research and which policies did you choose and why?

    Went for archery for early defence and aggression, then to BW to see iron (none) and at least one military camp, then to knights and machinery, then, as I grew more and more desperate, to cartography and muskets.

    - What was your build order?

    Scout, builder, slinger, settler or smth like that, I forget.

    - How long did it take to find your neighbors? Were they hostile or friendly?

    China first, then Japanese and Mongolian scouts stumbled upon me, then after a longish time Gilgabro's caravel showed up. I did not care about their attitude, the aim being domination. I still do not know who's the leader in score is, at T150.

    - How soon did you build a District? Which ones did you prioritize?

    First military camp in the capital, then campus, and government plaza in the second city.

    - Did you try to build any Wonders?

    No.

    - Did you emphasize expansion? How many cities have you built/captured in the first 100 turns?

    I had two cities before I went to war, as most of the time, but that turned out quite badly. I DOW'ed China with three or four archers, a few warriors and a couple of Varus, but due to very rugged terrain in the north, annoying barb camp in the south and obnoxious Zanzibar, who was vassal to Qin, war dragged on with little results, my thin forces had to be spread out to deal with enemies on three fronts, they kept dying and had to be replaced, in the end I took only two measly cities from China and had to make peace, to save my forces stuck in the hills, jungle and forests from total decimation at the hands of those pesky Crouching Tigers and make WW go away.

    Then I took a breather and used it to settle my spacious peninsula and build/buy infrastructure and rebuild some troops. Chinese were paying 62gpt war reparations which bought monuments for my new cities. I redeclared on Qin 30+ turns later with 8 knights, a ram, some Varus and X-bows. After more than half of my troops fell to a swarm of those lovable Crouching Tigers (I'm starting to hate facing those guys with a passion) and military camp + city walls fire, I finally captured two more Chinese cities, including their capital.

    At this point I'm no competition (as always), but I do not care anymore about what turn or if I win, I'm so wound up that I'm going to beat the rest of the Chinese into dust, before moving onto Hojo, probably. Turn counter flew out of the window, RP mode engaged!

    - How quickly did you get Trade Routes working, who did you trade with?
    First one rather quickly, the rest got delayed for quite a while, because there was no time to build CH, I had to replace military losses. Trades mostly internal so far.

    - How did you play your governance cards, priorities?

    Went for Oligarchy, was swapping cards according to troops building, upgrading or expansion needs and exploiting Magnus chops. Later switched into monarchy with Oligarchic legacy.

    - Which Governors did you choose and why did you choose them?

    Magnus first, then Liang, later Pingala to the capital, Amani and Reyna to help with the loyalty tensions.

    - Was your first age a Dark Age? Did you take any Dark Age cards?

    How did you know? Missed the threshold to Normal Classical by 2 points and had a Dark Classical instead. Couldn't take any DA cards, because my PP got tremendously delayed due to general war-induced stagnation and also because the Chinese bastards killed my scout. Couldn't meet enough CS in time. Well, I wasn't too miffed about that because I already anticipated a Heroic Medieval Age, as it used to happen in all my games before with no exception, only… this was to become the first exception. I barely scraped enough points to get into Normal Medieval. Only my Renaissance was finally Golden.

    - What City-States did you meet and which ones did you cultivate to your side?

    Zanzibar first, then some others, in the end China got them all, but only Zanzibar made some annoying moves. I overturned Zanzibar's allegiance once and had 8 envoys there, but after a few turns China retaliated and now it sits as suzerain with 13 envoys there. Zanzibar's a lost cause until I kill China or get a spy and kill their envoys.

    - How were the Barbarians?

    First two camps sprung up and were dealt with without much difficulty, but that was not enough to get out of the Dark Age. Then in the heat of the First war against China a third one sprung up in the south and got so troublesome that I had to redirect some forces from the Chinese front. Ghrghgh…

    - Any surprises?

    Yes, rough terrain and multiple Crouching Tigers plus a hostile AI military camp in a strategic location are quite deadly. The last GOTM game on Prince got me all complacent and I seriously underestimated my Deity enemy.
     
  10. Dylan96B

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    - Where did you settle your capital city? Your second city?
    On spot, forward settled China, as a counter to his forward settle.

    - What did you research and which policies did you choose and why?
    AH, Mining, Archery, writing

    - What was your build order?
    Scout, builder (for craftsmanship), settler, 3x slinger, warrior, 2nd city warrior, slinger

    - How long did it take to find your neighbors? Were they hostile or friendly?
    China found me, and started sizing me up, fairly quickly. Japan took zanzibar to let me know he wasnt far off.

    - How soon did you build a District? Which ones did you prioritize?
    Campus, want +20 healing for domination party.

    - Did you try to build any Wonders?
    Deity. No, but could have by the looks of it.

    - Did you emphasize expansion? How many cities have you built/captured in the first 100 turns?
    2 to start my campaign. Captured 4 Chinese cities, left him with Jerusalem. Managed to snag a settler from Oda, and walk him around the map to my continent. Settled an additional 3.

    - How quickly did you get Trade Routes working, who did you trade with?
    4 inners for my own production and food. Ty China.

    - How did you play your governance cards, priorities?
    Dark age, +5 attack card. Settler card. 50% calvary card.

    - Which Governors did you choose and why did you choose them?
    Choppy, City statey, betterworkery

    - Was your first age a Dark Age? Did you take any Dark Age cards?
    Yes, gogo +5. Into a heroic age.
    - What City-States did you meet and which
    ones did you cultivate to your side?
    Preslav, Stockholm later. We going to be friends.

    - How were the Barbarians?
    Plentiful. But none riding on horse back raining death on my parade.
    - Any surprises?
     
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