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6otM44 After Action

Discussion in 'Civ6 - Game Of The Month' started by leif erikson, Aug 1, 2018.

  1. leif erikson

    leif erikson Game of the Month Fanatic Administrator Supporter GOTM Staff

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    Welcome to the 6otM 44 After Actions Report. In this thread you can post the results of your game. Please state victory date and score and the save choice (preferably in the post title), as recorded in the Hall of Fame, and the most important: your path to glory!
    STOP - Please do not continue reading this thread until you have completed and submitted your game.

    Please attached your victory save to your post.
    - How many cities did you settle or capture?
    - What did you prioritize for research and policies?
    - Did you bother with religion?
    - How did you pump your score?
    - Did you instigate any major wars?
    - Were City-States helpful?
    - How did the new features help you?
    - Any surprises you ran into, how did you deal with it?
    - Did you enjoy the game?
    Please use spoiler tags for any surprise details you'd like kept hidden. Thanks.
    Players are encouraged to provide feedback on the game. Some players like to replay the game, and although we will not record the results from a replay, you can still post your new experiences (please state if the game is a replay). Please refrain from posting videos until the deadline for submission is over.
     
  2. BarbarianHunter

    BarbarianHunter Chieftain

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    CV Turn 142 --- **INVALID**

    - How many cities did you settle or capture? 18 in this order: Settled 3, conquered Yerevan, settled another to the north, captured 3 more cities from Monty, 3 from Gilgamesh, conquered Preslav, took 2 from America, and finished up with 4 more from the Dutch.
    - What did you prioritize for research and policies? I prioritized cartography as I thought I’d need it for an invasion/discovery mission, but there was a continent to continent shallow water connection to the west.
    - Did you send anyone to the dustbin of history? Aztecs.
    - Did you bother with Religion? No.
    - How did you pump your culture? Theatre Squares.
    - Did you instigate any major wars? Looking through the prism of Macedon’s UU, the Hetairoi, there was nothing I would term major, but we did instigate 4 wars.
    - Were City-States helpful? Suz Vilnius, then Kumasi, then Nan Madol all got me to Cultural Heritage quicker, which got me the Heritage Tourism policy card (+100% tourism from great works and artifacts).
    - How did the new features help you? n/a
    - Any surprises you ran into? Feisty barbs for prince.
    - How did you deal with it? Reboot.
    - Did you enjoy the game? Other than the silly mistake circa turn 50 (which kind of made me angry), I did. My culture game seems to be improving. Who knew Macedon was a CV juggernaut as well? I would never have guessed for a sub T150 CV finish.

    After winning my de facto 1st culture victory on 6otM 39, I planned to utilize the advice of the more efficient players to improve my game. I decided to play several prince level Macedonia hypothetical CV scenarios of my own to hone my skills before the game in hopes of perhaps turning in a mildly competitive finish time. This plan came to a screeching halt around turn 50 as my 3rd settler wandered into a barb slinger and was captured. It was simply lackadaisical play, as I had a slinger sitting in an adjacent city center DOING NOTHING that could have escorted the settler. My lack of respect for the prince level barbs seems to have cost me! I ended the competitive aspect of the game by initiating reboot from a previous save and carried on...This time I actually had the otherwise idle slinger escort the settler (which proved a stunning success).

    Once I got matters straightened out, my focus switched to how I was going to work through the vexing conundrum of how to attain the era score necessary to earn a Classical golden age. As the turn counter counted down to 7, the great general I sent off to explore (Hannibal Barca) happened upon an undefended barb camp, and wallah, 21 of 24! Next step was to chop up a Basilikoi Paides in Pella and I’d have it.
    Spoiler :
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    The productive capacity and rainforest chop out of Pella turned out to be considerably more optimal than I had imagined it would be. With the outlying mines, suzerianship of Kabul, and the maneuver (+50% cav) card, it’s kicking out a Hetairoi every 3 turns and indirectly generating 8.33 science per turn from the Basilikoi Paides as well. The 8.33 science per turn doesn’t sound like much, but it is a WHOOPING 79.3% of my base 10.5 science per turn!!! Next stop Yerevan.
    Spoiler :
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    Yerevan was the proverbial cake walk, and when I saw Monty’s settlement to the North was already being “red fisted” by the loyalty mechanics of my new city (Yerevan), I immediately moved my Hetairoi north. It looks as though he has built the Temple of Artemis to the west in Tenochtitlan for me as well!
    Spoiler :
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    Since it’s a cultural victory, I thought it’d be best to leave 1 Aztec city, and besides I don’t really want it anyway, as it looks generally non-productive. It was here I learned that there is a serious disconnect between the Monty’s “on the ground” intelligence and his new “working capital” in Atzcapotzalco. It would seem he feels his recent string of defeats are but temporary setbacks, and refused what I consider a rather gregarious peace offer for all his gold as well as 30 turns of income.
    Spoiler :
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    Spoiler :
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    Things may have started kind of slow, but they seem to be picking up STEAM (pun intended) due in no small part to the Hetairoi corps I created by retiring El Cid on top of a 4 promotion unit (Kabul). Next stop Amsterdam!
    Spoiler :
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    I decided it would be counterproductive to start any more wars as if would negatively impact tourism. And besides what cities the extra continental AI’s (Tamar, Kongo, and Cyrus) did have, didn’t have much in the way of culture generation. The game ended on turn 141 then rolled over to 142. Here are a few screenshots.
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    Question: I wonder if I could have gotten out onto the high seas sooner and discovered the land bridge, then rushed printing instead of cartography if it would have gone faster? Things really didn't start moving until Cultural Heritage, so I'm guessing not so much so.
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  3. JoZilla

    JoZilla Chieftain

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    CV t148 / score 1099

    - How many cities did you settle or capture?
    Settled 9, captured >20.

    - What did you prioritize for research and policies?

    1. Horseback riding for hetaroi
    2. Printing for 2x culture on books
    3. Cartography to find other continent

    Policies
    1. Military tradition for +50 on building hetaroi
    2. Drama and art for building theater districts
    3. Cultural heritage for +100% on great works of art

    - Did you bother with religion?
    I build 1 holy site and thougth about trying to get relics and I had the triple tourism for relics belief. In the end I did not use it though.

    - How did you pump your score?
    I didnt think about score at all, just gettin culture win as fast as possible.

    - Did you instigate any major wars?
    - I was constantly warring.

    - Were City-States helpful?
    This time not very much. Vilnius would have helped but it culture flipped from Aztecs to me and I was surprised that you can't liberate the city at that time, so I had to keep it to myself.

    - How did the new features help you?
    - +100% great people governor with Oracle is nice for getting great writers fast.
    - +100% tourism governor option helped a little too.

    - Any surprises you ran into, how did you deal with it?
    - Sumerian war cart rush surprised me big time. He captured 2/3 of my cities including capital. This slowed my start a lot, although I got some 2000 cash from recapturing my capital though.
     

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  4. isopaha

    isopaha Chieftain

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    CV turn 204. Really thought I would get below 200, but I failed.

    - How many cities did you settle or capture?
    Settled 5, captured 12 from NL, America and Aztecs.
    - What did you prioritize for research and policies? Usual cultural stuff. Usually in cultural games my culture is about 2x science output, but this time it was about 3x.
    - Did you send anyone to the dustbin of history? Yes NL, and the remains of Aztecs got wiped out later.
    - Did you bother with Religion? I got it accidentally, but it did not really help much.
    - How did you pump your culture? TD's with both archeology and museums. Most of the time all slots were full.
    - Did you instigate any major wars? Yes all 3 I had.
    - Were City-States helpful? Yeah, I was suzerain over quite a few of them.
    - Any surprises you ran into? Not really
    - Did you enjoy the game? Yeah, Alexander is quite a strong leader.
     

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  5. tarafran

    tarafran Chieftain

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    CV 206
    - How many cities did you settle or capture? Settled 8 captured 6 f
    - What did you prioritize for research and policies? Culture
    - Did you send anyone to the dustbin of history? Yes Aztecs
    - Did you bother with Religion? yes I got the fist religion and had to be careful not to win a RV :) as I wiped all the other one.The game was still open for one religion as I stopped Gilgamesh .nobody bother to get it
    - How did you pump your culture? World church, culture Wonders,TS
    - Did you instigate any major wars? None except foe Emergencies
    - Were City-States helpful? Yeah, I was suzerain over most of them.
    - Any surprises you ran into? early rush from Gilgamesh
    - Did you enjoy the game? Yes slowly learning how to manage a CV without wiping everybody :)
     

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  6. pahakuutti

    pahakuutti Chieftain

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    Not valid. I was experimenting how fast this can be won with just one city.

    Strategy was to focus on great writers and maximize tourism generated by writings: Beeline to printing and recruit Reyna (w/ curator promotion).

    - How many cities did you settle or capture?
    Only settled capital. Liberated/razed a few. Didn't keep any conquered cities, except Kongo's capital as capitals can't be razed.

    - What did you prioritize for research and policies?
    Great writings and slots for those.

    - Did you bother with religion?
    Nope.

    - How did you pump your score?
    I didn't.

    - Did you instigate any major wars?
    Tried to minimize other civs culture output, so yes. Had to eliminate Kongo as they were the culture runaways. Took way too much turns to my army to reach Kongo.

    - Were City-States helpful?
    Probably more the opposite: all the cultural city-states helped my rivals to build up their culture.

    - How did the new features help you?
    Apadana helped to slot more writings (32 extra tourism).

    - Any surprises you ran into, how did you deal with it?
    Surprised by Kongos culture output:
    Spoiler Dealing with the cultural runaway :


    - Did you enjoy the game?
    Yes, very much. Thank you.
     

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  7. kcd_swede

    kcd_swede Jag är Viking!½ GOTM Staff

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    Learned a lot. Should have killed more sooner. Wiped out Congo and Persia to get the culture requirements reasonable, but did so late. Fun game, but gets very time-consuming with so many cities.

    CV t297 1850AD score 1823... see save.
     

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  8. doolar

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    CV T426 score 3679

    Interesting albeit a very long game. I usually play King, Prince was fairly aggressive. DOW:ed by Sumeria early on. Sumeria even took my capital! Well, I soldiered on, took all of my continent and started on the other continent. Took it slow and could have finished it with religion early on.
     

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  9. Halfdan Helgrim

    Halfdan Helgrim Chieftain

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    Culture Victory Turn 175 (actually 174)

    - How many cities did you settle or capture?

    Settled 12, captured 5
    - What did you prioritize for research and policies?
    Culture, Religion, Science and Military - Printing Press
    - Did you bother with religion?
    Very much. I was lucky to get Goddess of the Harvest.
    - Did you instigate any major wars?
    One against Sumeria and one against America (which seemed to be moving towards culture runaway).
    - Were City-States helpful?
    Gave some nice boost to culture and faith in the beginning, but else not that helpful.
    - How did the new features help you?
    Magnus, chopping and overflow is still too powerful.
    - Any surprises you ran into, how did you deal with it?
    Somebody built Pyramids very fast - think it was turn 40 - which I would liked to have had.
    I was way too late in the water and looking for the other continent. It probably cost med a lot of turns.
    - Did you enjoy the game?
    Yes. Was as always fun and challenging to try to play the optimal game.
     

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  10. kcd_swede

    kcd_swede Jag är Viking!½ GOTM Staff

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    Ha... Gilgamesh was my ally for pretty much the whole game. Only AI who don't hate me. Nice score! Far better than I have ever done, even when trying for score. Good job! (And it is nice to know I was not the slowest to finish this time ;) )
     
  11. ferenginar

    ferenginar Grand Nagus

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    T354 1933AD CV Score 2736

    - How many cities did you settle or capture?
    Settle 6 Captured 31

    - What did you prioritize for research and policies?
    Nothing specifically, just getting ahead so that I could take the continent

    - Did you bother with religion?
    Not really, but when I got one I used it to prevent AI RV

    - How did you pump your score?
    Took control of continent and grew cities.

    - Did you instigate any major wars?
    Might have done, First the Netherlands, then used heroic age to take down Aztecs, Sumerians, and Americans.

    - Were City-States helpful?
    Not particularly

    - How did the new features help you?
    I guess not, as I was not aware of any new features.

    - Any surprises you ran into, how did you deal with it?
    Montezuma, and Gilgamesh were a bit tame, so I built a steamroller.

    - Did you enjoy the game?
    Yes
     

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  12. Copper_47

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    T87 CV

    - Did you enjoy the game?
    I seldom play on Prince difficulty, so I am unaccustomed to entering classical era slow (20T slower than Deity) and AIs with less gold to trade with. I made a lot of mistakes like didn’t reach Printing-Reyna combo until end, and I think I didn't do my best :(
     

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  13. kcd_swede

    kcd_swede Jag är Viking!½ GOTM Staff

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    After replaying a game with same setting with a military aggressive attempt, I was able to finish CV in t244, though with better care under 200 was certainly acheivable by me. (NOT SUBMITTING, of course). Is pretty much any VC requires aggressive military dominance to have competitive finish? Seems so.
     
  14. Eyswein

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    Wow! Any insight on how you start the game and what you prioritize to get sub-100 victories?
     
  15. DanQuayle

    DanQuayle Chieftain

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    Played a low science game, since I was unlikely to get to Printing before finishing the game.
    Nothing especially noteworthy happened, except that Sumeria conquered Jerusalem and Washington and when it did its Domestic Tourism jumped by 2-3 to 9.

    While playing the game, I encountered a weird bug: none of the keyboard shortcuts would work anymore (making the game really tedious to play). Reloading the last save wouldn't fix it, but restarting the game did.
     

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  16. DanQuayle

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    How did you get your 3 relics?
     
  17. leif erikson

    leif erikson Game of the Month Fanatic Administrator Supporter GOTM Staff

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    This game is closed for submissions as time has run out.

    You may continue to post here and attach saves if you wish.
     
  18. Arnold_T

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    Yes, @DanQuayle good question! I was wondering when someone else would notice. I doubt that you will get a clear answer from copper_47.

    Also, he couldn't have had any martyrs, since he doesn't have a religion. And he obtained his relics extremely early in the game. Must have been from goodyhuts.

    When I play, I don't often get even one relic from goody huts. Why is that? Well, if you dive into the code (in GoodyHuts.xml) you will find that the chances of getting a relic from a hut is only 2.5%. Which means that 97.5% of the time you will get something other than a relic. Let's say, for arguments sake, you find ten goody huts. the chances of all ten goody huts giving you something other than a relic is .975**10, which is about 78%. So on average in 78% of games you will find no relics, and only 22% of the time will you find one (or more) relics in a game. But the chances of finding two, or more, relics in ten goody huts goes up astronomically. Without getting into the details of computations, the chances of finding exactly one relic in 10 huts about 20% (once in five games), the chances of finding exactly two relics is about 2.3% (or once in 44 games!!), and the chances of finding three or more relics is about 0.164% (or once in 610 games!!!).

    I don't think I've ever seen a game with two or three early relics in it before. Oh! wait I second, I have! It was in 6otm35, somebody had a sub t100 culture win there ... and with three early relics. One guess as to whose game it was.

    The first time this happened I was suspicious, but thought maybe he just had one of those once in 610 game events. But twice now?!? That's a once in 372,000 times event.

    My theory is copper_47 is playing with some kind of mod ... maybe it's called the "Rockin Relic and Killer Culture" mod .:)

    I think copper_47 needs to change his name to pumpkin_eater.
     
  19. pahakuutti

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    We can only guess the source of the relics - unless @Copper_47 shares her insight.

    I would guess that one relic is from goody hut and two from peace deals since it's nearly impossible to get relics from trade deals.
     
  20. Arnold_T

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    Not true, we can load up her save and learn a lot from what's there. The relics were obtained in turns 17, 64, and 78. At game end she is Declared Friend with all four A.I. civs on her continent, so probably had a very peaceful, even completely peaceful game, on her continent. And she is not on bad terms with any of the three civs on the other continent, so probably played a completely peaceful game there too. Look at the diplo modifiers - there are no negatives for declaring war. The fact that she doesn't have many military units is also is an indication that she played a peaceful game. Even if the other AIs declared war on her, it would be unlikely that they would give up their relics to her in a peace deal, given her weak military. Plus where did the AIs get the relics? There is only one other religion in the game, on the other continent. They probably weren't advanced enough yet to have Martyrs, and even if they did have Martyrs, who would they have lost in religious combat to? nobody, because copper_47 doesn't have any shrines or temples to generate religious units! So all three relics must have come from goody huts somewhere (either picked up by copper_47, or by the AIs). It's still unlikely that three relics would show up in one game even from ALL the goody huts in the game (A.I. and human player discovered)
     
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