8 dead in Haifa railroad rocket hits

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another escalation in the Israeli-Lebanon war.

hezzu's has upped the ante.

so who says that this is a limited affair?

hopefully the reports of nasserallah's demise were not exagerated!

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edited to add link and article:

here is a link to the CNN REPORT
cnn report said:
Hezbollah rockets kill 9 in Haifa
Israel strikes militant stronghold in Beirut

on Sunday in the northern coastal city of Haifa, Israeli police said.

It was the second attack on Haifa since Israel and Hezbollah militants in southern Lebanon began trading fire on Wednesday.

Residents of Haifa and other northern Israeli areas were called to take cover in bomb shelters.

In a statement on Al Manar television Sunday, Hezbollah said it fired "tens" of Raad-2 and Raad-3 rockets at Haifa in retaliation for Israel's airstrikes Saturday night on the militant group's stronghold in southern Beirut and on Lebanon's infrastructure.

Hezbollah militants, who the Israeli military says have fired over 450 rockets into northern Israel, denied they were responsible for a rocket attack on Haifa on Thursday.

Israeli military sources said that attack involved longer-range, Iranian-made missiles, and marked the first time rockets have hit so deeply in Israeli territory.

Haifa, which is about 30 miles from the Lebanon border, is Israel's third largest city.

Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah Friday declared "an open war" on Israel, and vowed to take the war to Haifa "and beyond."
 
Where are people like Azadre, Capulet or others denouncing such hideous attack on civilians?

Ah, I get it. Israelis deserve to die, right? :rolleyes:
 
Its too bad, really.

The conflict is only going to get bigger and more obscene, much like the erections of the warmongers themselves.
 
Winner said:
Where are people like Azadre, Capulet or others denouncing such hideous attack on civilians?

Both sides have caused civilian casulties. The difference is that Israel will respond to Western criticism, whereas terrorists will not. Of course, no-one is willing to criticise poor, poor Israel.
 
Winner said:
Where are people like Azadre, Capulet or others denouncing such hideous attack on civilians?

Ah, I get it. Israelis deserve to die, right? :rolleyes:
i have mixed feelings about this post.

israeli's do seem to have a "right" to die without much fuss, unlike the philistines.
OTH, we are (israelis) always hammered about killing arabs.

BUT i REALLY DISLIKE ANY KIND OF BLOODSHED
what i would really like is that NOONE died.
not jew, nor arab, not even hindu :D

but we do NOT live in a perfect world.
people will die and kill,
usually not for thier own goals, but for narrow political ones.

it is my view that if israel did not have a NEW Prime minister and a new defence minister hezzbulla wouldnot have dared...

and dont get me wrong - i think it is utterly fabulous that we have a civilan as minister of defence!
puts things into perspective.
and civilians are OH so much MORE bloodthiristy when angered :devil:
 
Truronian said:
Both sides have caused civilian casulties. The difference is that Israel will respond to Western criticism, whereas terrorists will not. Of course, no-one is willing to criticise poor, poor Israel.

I'd say that Israel is being criticized too much, especially by the "liberal" public, which tends to forget the crimes committed by the terrorists, crimes like this one.
 
Winner said:
I'd say that Israel is being criticized too much, especially by the "liberal" public, which tends to forget the crimes committed by the terrorists, crimes like this one.

If criticising terrorists would stop the terrorising, I'd be on it in a flash. It doesn't though. Israel on the other hand will listen to the West, it relies on the West. If we can talk into attacking more carefully to avoid collateral damage, or to grant Palestine its own state, civilian casulties will be avoided. And to be honest thats all I really care about in this conflict, the civilians who haven't done a thing yet get killed anyway.
 
Truronian said:
If criticising terrorists would stop the terrorising, I'd be on it in a flash. It doesn't though. Israel on the other hand will listen to the West, it relies on the West. If we can talk into attacking more carefully to avoid collateral damage, or to grant Palestine its own state, civilian casulties will be avoided. And to be honest thats all I really care about in this conflict, the civilians who haven't done a thing yet get killed anyway.

That's a reasonable thought.

Unfortunately, the criticism of Israel is not so constructive. Israel is bashed for any defense, no matter how careful they are, no matter how much they try to avoid unnecessary violence.

We can see examples of what I'm talking about right now: some people kidnapp an Israeli soldier. Israel gives them time to hand him back. They refuse. Israel starts military operation with caution, they don't steamroll right into the Gaza downtown killing everything in sight. They just destroy few bridges and wait in outskirts, still saying they'll stop their assault if the militants let the soldier go. They still refuse, so Israel continue in the operation.

Who is blamed for that? Israel :shake: Suddenly, people are talking about disproportional use of force etc. Nobody says "what else should Israel do in order to get the soldier back?". No matter how much time they give, no matter how much they try to solve things diplomatically, it is always their fault.

Can somebody please explain to me why? Can somebody explain to me why people don't blame Hamas/Hezbollah for starting the violence?

Sometimes I have a sense of absolute absurdity surrounding the whole world. It is like everybody looked at a green wall and insisted it is red.
 
Its war now, i hardly think that we can restrict both sides from attacking civilians target. Israeli being the stronger force and the agressor is more likely to cause more destruction.
 
Shaihulud said:
Its war now, i hardly think that we can restrict both sides from attacking civilians target. Israeli being the stronger force and the agressor is more likely to cause more destruction.

So, Israel was attacked from Lebanese territory by Hezbollah but somehow, it is still the agressor. Right, and I am the King of Bohemia :)
 
Winner said:
Unfortunately, the criticism of Israel is not so constructive. Israel is bashed for any defense, no matter how careful they are, no matter how much they try to avoid unnecessary violence.

We can see examples of what I'm talking about right now: some people kidnapp an Israeli soldier. Israel gives them time to hand him back. They refuse. Israel starts military operation with caution, they don't steamroll right into the Gaza downtown killing everything in sight. They just destroy few bridges and wait in outskirts, still saying they'll stop their assault if the militants let the soldier go. They still refuse, so Israel continue in the operation.

Who is blamed for that? Israel :shake: Suddenly, people are talking about disproportional use of force etc. Nobody says "what else should Israel do in order to get the soldier back?". No matter how much time they give, no matter how much they try to solve things diplomatically, it is always their fault.
Rescuing kidnapped soldiers is not a job for the army. The army's job is to take out enemies, and kidnapped soldiers are gonna be among the enemies. Israel has one of the finest secret services in the world, surely this would be a much more effective means of rescuing kidnapped personel.
Can somebody please explain to me why? Can somebody explain to me why people don't blame Hamas/Hezbollah for starting the violence?
People do blame Hamas/Hezbollah. However, that doesn't mean Israel are partially to blame for the continuation of the violence.
 
Truronian said:
Rescuing kidnapped soldiers is not a job for the army. The army's job is to take out enemies, and kidnapped soldiers are gonna be among the enemies. Israel has one of the finest secret services in the world, surely this would be a much more effective means of rescuing kidnapped personel.
Bright day! I hoped someone would bring this up....
 
Winner said:
Can somebody please explain to me why? Can somebody explain to me why people don't blame Hamas/Hezbollah for starting the violence?

Because they hold all the power, they are a western nation, they have democracy, they exist only with American funding, they think killing 20 people for 1 of theres is right(a example), they seem to respect only themselves, there policies of opprresion and violence just incites and encourages more violence from the opposite side, they are very trigger happy, they accuse everyone else of being terrorists and think they are saints themselves,
A few reasons why I have issues with Israel, I dont know why others do though.
 
Truronian said:
Rescuing kidnapped soldiers is not a job for the army. The army's job is to take out enemies,

Which is exactly what IDF is doing right now.

and kidnapped soldiers are gonna be among the enemies. Israel has one of the finest secret services in the world, surely this would be a much more effective means of rescuing kidnapped personel.

I think they would just place more of their operatives in danger. This operation (in Gaza) is about forcing them to free him.

One more thing - even if they did rescue him by some us-action-movies-style secret operation, they would do it againt. This retaliation should force Palestinians to think about what they're doing, to realize that attacking Israel maybe isn't the right way to go.

People do blame Hamas/Hezbollah. However, that doesn't mean Israel are partially to blame for the continuation of the violence.

From what I hear from the European politicians and most of people here on CFC, they blame Israel in the first place.
 
boarder said:
Because they hold all the power, they are a western nation, they have democracy, they exist only with American funding, they think killing 20 people for 1 of theres is right(a example), they seem to respect only themselves, there policies of opprresion and violence just incites and encourages more violence from the opposite side, they are very trigger happy, they accuse everyone else of being terrorists and think they are saints themselves,
A few reasons why I have issues with Israel, I dont know why others do though.

That's not an explanation, that is just another anti-Israeli propaganda.
 
Winner said:
Which is exactly what IDF is doing right now.

Precisely. I have no quelms about Israel trying to eliminate Hellbozah. I just wish they'd state this as their mission objective and work with the Lebanese government rather than against them, and be much less gun-ho in the execution.

I think they would just place more of their operatives in danger. This operation (in Gaza) is about forcing them to free him.

Well then, its not going to suceed. Terrorists thrive in adversity. Why would they free them when there is a much easier solution availiable, namely killing them?

One more thing - even if they did rescue him by some us-action-movies-style secret operation, they would do it againt. This retaliation should force Palestinians to think about what they're doing, to realize that attacking Israel maybe isn't the right way to go.

Retaliatory strikes of such size only benefit the Palestinian terrorists. Your not gonna get terrorists to back down with an army, the only people that lose in such strikes are the civilians caught in the cross fire.

From what I hear from the European politicians and most of people here on CFC, they blame Israel in the first place.

Well, I don't. In the long run the people truly to blame are the West, but that discussion belongs in the history forum.
 
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