[DLL] (8-NS) Russia - Hermitage UNW and Ostrog rework

[Yngwie]

Problems:
Pogost itself strongly associated with a Cemetry
Proposed pure yields seems to be boring
Russia should have a cultural spike around 19th Century
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Ostrog as Bastion Fort is anachronistic

Proposal:

Hermitage UNW (Royal Collection replacement) instead of Pogost

Spoiler Pogost :

UB - Pogost (replaces Customs House):
Available at Guilds
350 Production Cost
+2 Culture and +2 Gold
Gains +2 Science at Banking
Gains +2 Food at Economics
Gains +2 Faith and Production at Railroad
Gains +1 of All Yields at Industrialization ( )
+1 Gold and Production to Villages and Towns
1 Merchant Specialist Slot
+4/2 Gold to all Trade Routes to/from this city respectively
Tobacco Resources gain +3
Coffee Resources gain +1 +2
Tea Resources gain +2 +1
Banana Resources gain +2

Common traits:
+2 Culture
+10% Culture in this City
1 Culture per 4 Citizens
-1 Unhappiness from Boredom
3 Slots for Art/artifact (+4 Gold and Culture if themed)

Unique traits:
+20% GPP generation to all Guilds in your Empire
+5 Culture to all Guilds in your Empire
+1 Culture from GP Improvements in your Empire
+1 Culture from Great Works in your Empire
Every time you create a Great Work, receive 2% of total Tourism accumulated by the Civ most influential to you as instant boost to your Tourism and GAP before Atomic Era and as Science after

Common Royal Collection gain an unused art of Theatre:

Spoiler Art :

Rationale: That UNW will emphasize both reasons and effect of 18th-19th Century Cultural influence of Russia. More than that, Hermitage already have an art of Winter Palace (Thanks, Firaxis). Converting other Civ's Tourism is quite unique.

Ostrog UB (Castle replacement)

Spoiler Current Ostrog :

Replace Bastion Fort
-4 Maintenance
+3 Production
+12CS (+2 from Bastion Fort)
-2 Damage from all sources
Allows City to strike over obstacles
+10% Supply
+1 Production and Gold to Camps, Mines, Lumber Mills and Strategic Resources worked by this City
+5 Healing to garrisoned Units
Empire size modifier is reduced by 5% in this City
Enemy land Units expend all Movement when entering land territory owned by the City

-2 Maintenance
+3 Production
+10 CS to the City (+2 from Castle)
-2 Damage from all sources
+10% Supply
+1 Production and Gold from Quarries, Mines and Lumber Mills worked by this City
1 slot for Great Work of Art/Artifact
Empire size modifier is reduced by 5% in this City
Enemy land Units expend all Movement when entering land territory owned by the City

Rationale: Ostrog itself is not a Renaissance era building. The other reason: it's not desirable to have Both UB and UNW in the same Era (Proposed Hermitage also Renaissance). The possible conflict with Great Wall is not a problem, since there is only 1 Era of effect left (and frankly speaking Great Wall needs some rework, but this congress has limitations)

 

[Pipiskus]

Ostrog itself is not a Renaissance era building.

I mean that's half-true, Ostrogs at least to me are primary associated with Siberia Colonization, they were even used in some core Russian lands to 16th century just cause there were no enough stone in Rus region.
Hermitage replacement looks interesting, but to be honest, i believe the old Pogost would be far more usefull for the civ as a whole.
I think you should specify which bonuses of Hermitage work in this exact city and which work across the whole empire, its not clear to me right now.

 

[Yngwie]

I mean that's half-true, Ostrogs at least to me are primary associated with Siberia Colonization, they were even used in some core Russian lands to 16th century just cause there were no enough stone in Rus region.
Hermitage replacement looks interesting, but to be honest, i believe the old Pogost would be far more usefull for the civ as a whole.
I think you should specify which bonuses of Hermitage work in this exact city and which work across the whole empire, its not clear to me right now.

Technically you are right. But when we talk about Siberia, it should be mentioned that there were mainly new Cities and tons of the forest around - so, that was just the best option. In game reality its like construction of buildings from the previous Eras firstly just because it is faster and cheaper.
In the western part of Russia the situation with fortification during Renaissance were different. Stone walls were in Moscow, St.Petersburg, Novgorod etc, almost all large Cities had their own Kremlins even in Medieval, most of them had stone walls around local Crurches. So, the wooden walls were definitely obsolete for the most part of Russia at that time.
Bonuses specified, they work for all Empire

 

[pineappledan]

Every time you create a Great Work, receive 5% of total Tourism accumulated by the Civ most influential to you as instant boost to your Tourism and GAP

This sounds like a preposterously large amount of yields.

 

[Yngwie]

This sounds like a preposterously large amount of yields.

What would be an appropriate value then? I considered something like 2% but that feels close to nothing

 

[pineappledan]

I don't know honestly, but considering how often you can build GPs in the late game, and how high this would scale specifically in the late game this sounds like a massive problem. It would make Russia a dark horse that could come up from behind on any culture leader with the late game GPP bonuses.

Russia + Civilized Jewelers sounds like it would just throttle any game.

Just on a fundamental level, scaling off of someone's Else's game progress sounds like a real bastard move.

 

[hokath]

You need to run an actual game to find out what the base number looks like. I feel it will be a fraction of a percent.

Perhaps a more interesting table to add would be like yield when you trigger an historic event. Kinda like arabia UA but instant yields

 

[Yngwie]

So, making Russia a dark horse for Culture victory is one of the purpose of this proposal, but well, 5% could be really too much

Historic events... I just never paid any attention to them throughout my Games. They are just happened and i don't know how to work with them

So, amendment:
converted tourism reduced from 5% to 2%

 

[Yngwie]

Amendment 2: bonus changed to Science in Atomic Era
Every time you create a Great Work, receive 2% of total Tourism accumulated by the Civ most influential to you as instant boost to your Tourism and GAP before Atomic Era and as Science after

Rationale: more accurate historically and less unfair to cutural Civs

 

[Recursive]

Timestamp post to arrange all the threads in a neat order.