-86 Diplomacy Penalty for Different Governments with All Civs

[steveg700]

Came back after a long break to try the new DLC leaders. I adopted a tier 4 government and whammo, -86 diplomatic penalty with all civ's. A penalty so big that it overwhelms all positives and results in waves of denouncements from any civ not already locked into a friendship. Do I'm not currently es this penalty decrease over time or some other way? Is it another reason not to stick with Democracy?

EDIT: I originally said tier 3. I meant tier 4 (the future era).

 

[Hellenism Salesman]

Uhhhh I've never seen this happen before. There's normally a somewhat harsh diplomatic penalty for different governments, but never that harsh . I think this could be a new bug?

 

[Francel]

Agree with Mr. Salesman. Post a picture if you can.

 

[Nikolai II]

Using any mods?

 

[Pfeffersack]

Came back after a long break to try the new DLC leaders. I adopted a tier 3 government and whammo, -86 diplomatic penalty with all civ's. A penalty so big that it overwhelms all positives and results in waves of denouncements from any civ not already locked into a friendship. Do I'm not currently es this penalty decrease over time or some other way? Is it another reason not to stick with Democracy?

I wondered about whether this being a bug quite a while ago...

[NFP] - [1.0.3.31] -86 diplomatic relations for different goverments from non-ideologue AI leaders WAI?

I'm getting pretty serious negative modfifiers from differing goverments lately - as soon as the AIs get T3 or T4 governments, very many of them get -86 for different goverments to me - and non of those has the "Ideologue" agenda (which I rarely see anyway): Those are just two examples...

forums.civfanatics.com

 

[steveg700]

Not using mods. Not sure a pic will really help here.

 

[Pfeffersack]

Not using mods. Not sure a pic will really help here.

My linked example showing the same issue was without any gameplay mods, too.

 

[steveg700]

Just noticed that I goofed up and said tier 3. I meant adopting a tier 4 government (Synthetic Theocrracy)..

The big difference there being, of course, that it makes it a lot harder to distinguish whether this is an oddity or normative simply because tier 4 governments generally aren't an issue for many here. They just won't come up unless the player is playing pretty casually (like I am) and not rushing to finish line.


Plus, the way some tier 3's work, players are discouraged from swapping out of them as Firaxis imposed that weird design decision where the policies unlocked with those governments can only be taken while having that specific government (so, for instance, leaving Democracy means no longer having a policy for getting bonus housing).