Motivation:
If you are a warmonger there is basically one Founder for you: Hero Worship. It has some quite wacky effects and doesn't really fit with the other Founders; it doesn't require you to spread your Faith or even have followers at all!
I think it would be more interesting to be able to choose from several options that also align with the idea that Founder beliefs are about how strong your Religion is.
Note: Founder yields are very powerful but don't tend to scale with era (although some do),
look at Holy Law with a possible 1250 Faith/Sci/Gold on Policy Unlock (roughly every 30 turns)
or at Revelation with 500 GAP/Faith/Culture on Tech unlock (roughly every 10 turns)
Proposal:
Implementation Notes:
This is all existing database code.
References:
Other founder changes
There are a series of Teocalli nerf proposals that inform the balance. My one removes the XP and two of them lower it to 10 (from 15):
needs to be voted on together
If you are a warmonger there is basically one Founder for you: Hero Worship. It has some quite wacky effects and doesn't really fit with the other Founders; it doesn't require you to spread your Faith or even have followers at all!
I think it would be more interesting to be able to choose from several options that also align with the idea that Founder beliefs are about how strong your Religion is.
Note: Founder yields are very powerful but don't tend to scale with era (although some do),
look at Holy Law with a possible 1250 Faith/Sci/Gold on Policy Unlock (roughly every 30 turns)
or at Revelation with 500 GAP/Faith/Culture on Tech unlock (roughly every 10 turns)
Proposal:
- New Founder "Eternal Glory"
- +4 Production, Faith, Border Growth to Courthouses
i.e. in annexed Cities
Note this interacts with Satrap's Court, see separate proposal - +2 Production, Faith, Border Growth in the Holy City for every Foreign City following the Religion
- caps at 25 Cities
- Heavenly Stair NW:
icon by me- 4 Faith, 8 BGP
- Standard Reformation Wonder Effects
- 4 BGP on kills in all Cities, scaling with Era
- 5 GAdPoints to Holy Sites
- +4 Production, Faith, Border Growth to Courthouses
- New Founder "Mastery"
- +1 Happines per 8 Followers in non-Enemy Foreign Cities
Only someone with a scary army can avoid war - +1 Science and Culture for every 2 Followers in City-States
- max 80 followers
- Martial Sanctum NW:
Xuankong by Sukritact- All Units receive the "Strategic Study" Promotion: +3% CS per Level (above 1)
atlas 4, index 22 - 5 GGPoints to Holy Sites
- Mastery follower renamed "Abstinence" and Asceticism renamed "Remedy"
- All Units receive the "Strategic Study" Promotion: +3% CS per Level (above 1)
- +1 Happines per 8 Followers in non-Enemy Foreign Cities
- Hero Worship changed to "Ritual Sacrifice"
- Loses conquest yields
- +1 Food and Prod in Holy City for every 2 Followers of Foreign Religions
how to get more followers of Foreign religions? Take their cities. - max 100 followers
- 50 Faith and GAP for every converted Citizen when using Inquisitor
- Great Altar NW
+15% to military units- 20 Food and Prod on any kill in this City, only during a Golden Age
does not scale with era
- New Enhancer "Dharma War"
Keep the Hero Worship effect because its cool for some civs, but it can now compete with other beliefs like Zealotry- Receive 100
Faith and 
Golden Age Points when you conquer a City, as well as 25 Great General Points (if City is landlocked) or Great Admiral Points (if Coastal). Bonus scales with City Population and Era. - Gain Tourism from kills equal to 200% the Units Combat Strength
So it has value even outside of taking Cities
- Receive 100
Implementation Notes:
This is all existing database code.
References:
Other founder changes
There are a series of Teocalli nerf proposals that inform the balance. My one removes the XP and two of them lower it to 10 (from 15):
needs to be voted on together
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