[Vote] (9-052) Religion IV: Fun Additions

[hokath]

Motivation:
In other proposals there are a few beliefs added. This proposal adds a few more so that the maximum number of Religions can theoretically be increased for larger maps

UPDATE Worlds
SET MaxActiveReligions = '6'
WHERE Type = 'WORLDSIZE_STANDARD';

This is the logic of the more beliefs mod and I'm just offering some options here. The nice thing about the religion system is that, within reason, you can add more stuff and it doesn't break.

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Proposal:

• New Enhancer "Cremation"
  to contend with Zealotry
  • 200% Combat Strength as Faith when your Units die
  • +10 Culture on Birth
  • +1 Happiness from City on River
• New Reformation "Exodus"
  for Terra maps and seafarers
  • Expending a Great Admiral grants 20 Faith and Golden Age Points for every City following this Religion
  • max 25 Cities
  • Settler and Religious Units gain +2 Naval moves, +1 Naval Sight, 1 move Embark/Disembark.
    Promotion called "Diaspora"
  • +2 Culture and Great Admiral Points if the City is Coastal.
• New Reformation "Cargo Cult"
  bit of fun. The Double yields interacts with other NW boosting effects, for very niche strats, like Goddess of Nature and new Celtic pantheon
  • May purchase Airports with Faith.
  • Double yields from Natural Wonders.
  • +5 Faith in the Holy City for every known Pantheon founded (caps at 8 Pantheons).
• New Follower "Sacred Bull"
  • +1 All Yields from Cattle
    All yields are Food/Prod/Gold/Sci/Culture/Faith
• New Follower "Daoguans"
  
  
  icon by Sukritact
  • 200 cost
  • 5Faith
  • +20%Great Person Rate in the City
  • +25% Religious pressure and -10% Religious Resistance in this City
  • 1Great Work of Writing Slot
  • -1 Urbanization in this city

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Implementation Notes:
All database code playable here
Promotion icon

54 in PROMOTION_ATLAS_VP_05

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References:
Other new beliefs added

Thread '(9-050) Religion I: War Religion'

Jan 3, 2026

Motivation:
If you are a warmonger there is basically one Founder for you: Hero Worship. It has some quite wacky effects and doesn't really fit with the other Founders; it doesn't require you to spread your Faith or even have followers at all!
I think it would be more interesting to be able to choose from several options that also align with the idea that Founder beliefs are about how strong your Religion is.
Note: Founder yields are very powerful but don't tend to scale with era (although some do),
look at Holy Law with a possible 1250 Faith/Sci/Gold on Policy Unlock (roughly every...

• hokath
• Replies: 14
• Forum: Failed Proposals

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and

Thread '(9-051) Religion II: Rework To Nonscaling Options'

Jan 3, 2026

Motivation:
For me, Founder beliefs need to scale with the strength of the associated Religion. This requires you to spend Faith on Missionaries and is the central gameplay loop of Religion.
However there are some options that don't need you to do that at all. I personally think this is inadequate.
We can still have "domestic" options that don't require you spread to other people, but you should still need to spend a good amount of Faith.

Note: Founder yields are very powerful but don't tend to scale with era (although some do),
look at Holy Law with a possible 1250 Faith/Sci/Gold...

• hokath
• Replies: 7
• Forum: Failed Proposals

Celtic pantheon mentioned would be new Rhiannon

Thread '(9-041) Celtic Pantheons'

Jan 2, 2026

Motivation:
I really like Celts, they're one of my favourites. I love how you take these starts where the Pantheon you would pick as a normal civ suddenly gets this extra life and you can play around it in interesting and unique ways.
However I think the balance on some of them is a bit off. Since they replace the majority of the UA and your Pantheon, they have to be quite beefy and some fall short.
I also think some are missing. For example, you can get a Desert start, but you don't have a Spirit of the Desert to pick. (for a while I struggled against this one on the grounds there are no...

• hokath
• Replies: 21
• Forum: Failed Proposals

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[cogwheel]

On the topic of religion, is it possible to propose the integration of Tomatekh's Historical Religions mod? As it seems to not be working anymore with other modmods for VP 5.0

 

[Stalker0]

The bonus when your units die just do not work well for human play, it’s never optimal to let your units die.

Now I could see this for gifting units to CS maybe

 

[hokath]

it seems to not be working anymore with other modmods for VP 5.0

If I remember correctly, the reason has been found and will be fixed.

 

[Tekamthi]

The bonus when your units die just work well for human play,

doesnt AI lose more units than human? i'm not a big fan of these types of bonuses but i always imagined AI benefiting more than human.

 

[pineappledan]

At minimum it’s a reward for bad play/mistakes, which are awkward and generally not good design.

 

[pineappledan]

icon I believe by Sukritact but I don't know its origin

You need to know for sure for the credits or else it can’t be seriously considered.

New Enhancer "Cremation"

Rewards for bad play and the AI will benefit many times more than humans

New Reformation "Exodus"

I can’t imagine a situation where I would ever pick this. Late game expansion just isn’t a big enough concern

New Reformation "Cargo Cult"

These bonuses are weird and I think we have enough natural wonder bonuses without straight doubling them. This will be a balance headache.

New Follower "Sacred Bull"

Please no. This would be horrendously swingy based on map roll in combination with Open Sky and Fealty. It also comes off as a joke, like this isn’t a serious proposal

New Follower "Daoguans"

This one seems like the only “normal” proposal, but I don’t know if it’s necessary

 

[hokath]

You need to know for sure for the credits or else it can’t be seriously considered.

I took it from your mod, but I don't see any credits listed. Do you know where you got it?

 

[pineappledan]

I think there is a credits list in my modmod, but I forget. That mod is like 5 years old

 

[hokath]

This one

[Extension] Thread 'pineappledan, HungryForFood, & Recursive's New Beliefs'

Mar 27, 2020

Download Here

Spoiler New Beliefs :

(Pantheon) - God of Storms

2 in Cities with a Garrison.​

Pillaging a tile provides 15Faith and Production. Does not scale with Era.​

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(Pantheon) - Trickster God

12Faith and Science when you complete a non-road Improvement. Does not scale with Era.​

(Founder) - City of God

Can build the Sacred Garden Wonder (+3 +5; +5 Food from all Holy Sites)​

Gain...​

• pineappledan
• Replies: 244
• Forum: Mods Repository

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I searched but couldn't find it.

 

[pineappledan]

I agree that it is sukritact-esque, but you're right I didn't credit it. And it's been 6 years now so I don't know where it comes from or even if I ever tracked down its original source, or just took it from someone else who had ripped it off.

I don't know where it is originally from. But I'm just a dirty modmodder; I am not the one trying to integrate it.

 

[hokath]

No worries. I will do some digging.

 

[hokath]

According to the rise to power wiki entry, which uses the icon, it was indeed by Sukritact

 

[Recursive]

Pretty much agree with pdan in that I think these would be less fun in practice, though I like the concept.

 

[azum4roll]

New Reformation "Exodus"
for Terra maps and seafarers

• Expending a Great Admiral grants 25 Faith and Golden Age Points for every City following this Religion
• max 20 Cities
• Settler and Religious Units gain +2 Naval moves, +1 Naval Sight, 1 move Embark/Disembark.
  Promotion called "Diaspora"
• +2 Culture and Great Admiral Points if the City is Coastal.

Promotions are less ok on reformations (it's given to anyone with it as primary religion) but fortunately these are expendable units so probably fine.

How is the Great Admiral expense yields coded?

New Reformation "Cargo Cult"
bit of fun. The Double yields interacts with other NW boosting effects, for very niche strats, like Goddess of Nature and new Celtic pantheon

• May purchase Airports with Faith.
• Double yields from Natural Wonders.
• +5 Faith in the Holy City for every known Pantheon founded (caps at 8 Pantheons).

How's that different from +40 Faith?

• 200
  
  cost
• 5
  
  Faith
• +20%
  
  Great Person Rate in the City
• +25% Religious pressure and -10% Religious Resistance in this City
• 1
  
  Great Work of Writing Slot
• -1
  
  Urbanization in this city

No slot please.

 

[Hawawaa]

Never got to try Sacred Bull because RNG never lined up. Now if this follower got each city spawns one cattle tile would be too good and you could only do that before you founded or all religions were founded?

 

[hokath]

No slot please.

Sold

How is the Great Admiral expense yields coded?

Same way as To the Glory of God yields

CityScalerLimiter = 20 WHERE Type = 'BELIEF_EXODUS';
INSERT INTO Belief_GreatPersonExpendedYield
...

How's that different from +40 Faith?

In a standard game it is just +40 Faith.
It's for flavor.

 

[azum4roll]

Same way as To the Glory of God yields
CityScalerLimiter = 20 WHERE Type = 'BELIEF_EXODUS'; INSERT INTO Belief_GreatPersonExpendedYield ...

This already has a problem with other co-existing beliefs that use the same limiter column (i.e. Ceremonial Burial). Don't think we've ever fixed that?

 

[hokath]

What's the issue? I haven't noticed anything.

 

[azum4roll]

There's only one CityScalerLimiter stored per religion, meaning if you have multiple beliefs with that column set, you only get the largest number as a cap.