[Vote] (9-58) Zealotry and Global Commandments Tier Swap

[Yngwie]

Proposal:

Zealotry – move to reformation pool
Global Commandment – move to enhancer pool

Spoiler Beliefs :

Global Commandment - Religion spreads 15% faster (30% with Printing Press). Receive 350 Science, Culture, Gold, Faith, and Golden Age Points when you pass a Proposal in the World Congress or United Nations, scaling with Era.

Zealotry - May spend Faith to purchase Land Units in Cities. Strategic Resource quantities increase by 1% per following City (up to 25%).

Rationale:

Zealotry: provide faith purchase option + resource deposits. Other enhancer beliefs may only provide some discounts to religious Units. At the same time, we have 4 reformation beliefs that provide other faith purchase options: cultural/scientific buildings, archaeologists and great people. That’s why in order to avoid too many faith purchases in one religions (considering there could already be follower buildings), it should share the same pool with other faith purchase beliefs.

Global Commandment: Provide spreading bonus + non-religious yield bonus. Other reformation beliefs don’t have spreading bonuses, while enhancer beliefs do: stronger missionaries/prophets, spy pressure, pressure distance, erode pressure. That’s why this belief better suits enhancer pool and is the best candidate to swap with Zealotry.

 

[Recursive]

In principle I like the idea, but in practice that yield bonus on Global Commandments looks pretty substantial relative to other Enhancer beliefs.

I feel like the spread speed bonus and the WC yields could be made into separate beliefs.

 

[pineappledan]

Yields from WC proposals means that the ability is functionally tech locked. Almost all reformation beliefs have some sort of tech lock, either by augmenting late game buildings or mechanics. No enhancers have tech-dependent mechanics because you could unlock them in classical.

I'm not interested in adding enhancer beliefs that I or an AI player might have to wait 2 whole eras after adopting to use.

 

[KlHannibal2]

In principle I like the idea, but in practice that yield bonus on Global Commandments looks pretty substantial relative to other Enhancer beliefs.

I feel like the spread speed bonus and the WC yields could be made into separate beliefs.

Likewise, buying units feels underwhelming compared to glory of god or crusader spirit for a war monger. And if you are no war monger, you would never take zealotry over yields anyway.

 

[Anarcomu]

Zealotry is never underwhelming, even compared to GoG ; it allows you to sink faith early (classical-medieval) in your military and free your cities to develop economically. It is a must-have when playing aggressively and I wouldn't trade it for GoG any single day of the week in this case.

 

[Legen]

I sponsor this.

 

[Recursive]

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