A Brave New Succession Game

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  1. Js_9001

    Js_9001 Indefatigable

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    We're a little cramped, but we should be able to settle 2 more cities, one to the west and one to the east.
     
  2. Teproc

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    The problem is, Catherine might block us with Saint Petersburg, depending on where she goes. I guess we'll see. I think we'll have to take her out as soon as we can, she's too close and tends to be very efficient scientifically.
     
  3. cpm4001

    cpm4001 Goggleman

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    Looks like a pretty good start, though I fully expect to have a war with Russia in the near future (probably several wars, actually). We should probably get another military unit or two and then a couple Settlers.
     
  4. Pydgie

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    As the new chief, Pydgie inherited the right to sit in the stone chair. He sat and fiddled with the holy rocks, twiddled his thumbs, watching the people bustle around to make way for the rocks. And most importantly, he constantly thanked the rocks for sparing him.

    Faith: Chief Pydgie's first act was to enhance the Rock Cult by introducing an innovation which he called the Stone Circles Pantheon which emphasized Quarry Congregations.

    Culture: Contrary to Chief Teproc before him, Chief Pydgie's social policies were more military oriented. Firstly he adopted a code of Honor. Mysteriously, perhaps it was an epiphany, were suddenly notified of barbarian encampments. This was viewed by other tribes as irony, as the English were considered not much more than barbarians anyway. Later he adopted a stricter Warrior Code. Immediately, a thinker was discovered. I don't remember his name, but he was a master of the art of war (and no it wasn't sun tzu), well at least as much of a master of anything as can be found among the English.

    Exploration: Chief Pydgie resumed the exploring parties that Chief Teproc had initiated. He discovered Mt. Kailash, and much later Mt. Sinai. They also came upon a new tribe, called the Ottomans.

    Technology: A calendar was formulated, revolutionizing and systemizing the length of a year (beforehand a year was a vague definition considered to be the length of a very long time; as can be foreseen, this caused a lot of controversy and disputation), and also providing use for the cotton found south of the town. Later, the English, seeing the advanced forms of scratch-talk (or so they called it) that the other tribes had developed, so they created their own form which they formally called writing. Also, in order to create quarries for the Stone Circles Pantheon, further developed the sciences of masonry. Even the arrogant Russians had to admit that the English were finally making some progress.

    London: In order to further honor the rocks, the English formed a group of Workers and laborers out of their youth. They were commanded to build a mine near a concentration of a metal they called copper. Subsequently, a plantation was erected to facilitate harvesting the cotton. Then a mine on another concentration of copper, and then a farm.

    Military: A group of archers spotted a Russian settler expedition moving toward London. Under the rash judgement of their inexperienced commander (coincidentally named Pydgie as well), attacked the group of warriors escorting the settlers. Unfortunately, the Russians succeeded in founding Sankt Peterburg before the archers, and another group of warriors sent to aid them could stop them. The Russians refused to forgive the blunder, so all warriors were sent to attack. They massed around the borders, and although Catherine offered peace, they refused to forgive her refusal to forgive them.

    And despite the war, and the activities the English had started to adopt they still insisted on the Rock Pelting Ritual once the 25 year term had passed. (This time, there was no disagreement on the date, so you could say that Chief Pydgie's calendar backfired in a way.) Pydgie had become old and frail, and did not survive. Instead, a youth named cpm4001 acquired the Stone Throne. It was hoped that under his rule, the empire would expand, and peace would be restored.

    OOC Ok, so although we have definitely progressed a little, we are still very behind. Our start location is pretty bad, especially since Russia wants to expand our way. I say, once that settler is built, we settle a city to the west, and then let Russia supply the rest of the cities. I didn't notice Novgorod until I looked at the screenshots afterward. As for Sankt Peterburg, once we have 200 gold buy an archer, and once the settler is completed, train another archer as well and then I think we will be able to safely attack. I would suggest keeping the city, not razing it. Also, meanwhile, I was using that fortified Russian warrior to farm experience for the archer.
     

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  5. cpm4001

    cpm4001 Goggleman

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    Ouch, that's a bit of a tight spot. I'll see what I can't do here; should get my turnset played this afternoon.
     
  6. Teproc

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    Yeah, we're not in great shape. The early game is always the hardest part though, once we take over Russie we'll be fine. The thing is : when do we attack ? We should at least go to Construction for Composite Bowmen to do it I think, Archers and Warriors are unlikely to do it.

    I agree with keeping Saint Petersburg if/when we take it, then go on to Moscow (in the same war if we can), but leave her Novgorod, she won't be much of a factor anyway after that.
     
  7. redwings1340

    redwings1340 Emperor

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    Yeah, the beginning of the game in Immortal/Deity is tough. Starting next to Russia isn't ideal either because of her overhyperexpansionist tendencies. It will be tough to come back from this, but I was the person who was pushing for immortal. I hope everyone doesn't mind being in a bad position, because I was basing my support for immortal on everyone being ok with potentially losing.

    This war is really going to push our science back, so we will need to use external trade routes to help catch up. Unfortunately there are no real allies in our immediate vicinity to send trade routes to. Hmm... Good luck CPM!
     
  8. Pydgie

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    I think we could pull it off with archers and warriors. Sankt Peterburg is only like 10 hp. We'll just have to be careful, and don't send in the infantry immediately, just let the archers weeken them.
     
  9. Teproc

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    Don't worry about it redwings, you weren't the only one wanting Immortal, and I'm certainly fine with losing. If that happens, we can always start another one ! ;)
     
  10. cpm4001

    cpm4001 Goggleman

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    King​


    Following the death of the aged Pydgie, cpm4001 (who, despite his peculiar similarities to the Exalted Majah of Raspur, was not the same person) ascended the throne of England. As he had no idea what was going on, he immediately set about issuing a series of orders in an attempt to get stuff sorted out. Unfortunately, they just confused everyone.

    Diplomacy​


    Upon his ascendancy to the throne, cpm4001 intended to continue the war with Russia his predecessor had started. However, peace was signed very quickly, once he was informed by troops that "The Russians had scary pointy sticks!" Though pointy sticks are not necessarily able to beat Holy Stones, the warriors of England had only been trained to defend against vicious killers armed with fruit. Therefore, a white peace was signed between England and Russia. Ultimately, embassies were exchanged between the two nations and, later, a trade-route was established between London and Moscow.
    In the meantime, very little other diplomacy was conducted during cpm's reign. The new and thriving civilization of "Japan" was met to the south of London, while the nation of Rome began paying gold for Copper. Japanese-English relations were strained after an accident* led to a brief war with the city-state of Melbourne, but the hope is that the two nations will be able to mend this rift.
    *I forgot ranged units can't capture civilians! Stupid me!

    Culture


    Though the previous rulers of England had focused on the military when choosing cultural policies, cpm decided to focus on the well-being of the civilians of England. Therefore, he instituted a law code, which was reflected in great cultural development. Meanwhile, word reached England the heathen Mayan had founded the religion of "Catholicism", which was plainly a pagan religion as they didn't worship Holy Rocks.

    Home


    Home life during cpm's reign was marked by the opening of two new "quarries" on the stone deposits nearby. As this allowed the people of London to mine and worship Holy Rocks more easily, a corresponding increase in Faith was noted amongst the priesthood. Additionally, the settling expedition trained by Pydgie was sent out with a military escort to the rich area to the southeast of London, where the new city of York was founded (though some battle with the hostile barbarians of the area was necessary to establish the city.)
    The scientists of England learned the secrets of Animal Husbandry and Philosophy during cpm's reign, aided by the new library of London. A new National College, planned for construction as soon as the library of York is built, will no doubt help England to catch up technology-wise to its neighbors.

    End

    One day cpm took a ride on the trade Caravan between Moscow and London. However, his camel bolted and ran straight ahead until it hit the sea, so both camel and leader vanished into the ocean. Thusly, the new leader was chosen to be Silverman, a fellow of background yet to be determined.

    Bambi (with special musical guests Motorhead)

    So yeah, that's where we're at. Trying to get our science sorted out; we're at the very bottom in literacy and a whopping 9 techs behind Russia. Otherwise, I didn't get much done, but hopefully we'll be able to catch up and nab a win!
    Oh, and I kinda forgot to take a screenshot...
     

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  11. redwings1340

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    I'm pretty sure ranged units can capture civilians. You just need to click move first and tell them to move to the hex they are going to go to, otherwise they will bombard by default.
     
  12. redwings1340

    redwings1340 Emperor

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    Starting a national college by turn 75 isn't bad though, especially with the way we were producing military units. I know a lot of people on these forums get it super fast, but I've always found that delaying it for some luxury techs and a few cities isn't the worst thing in the world, as long as its somewhat of a priority. Being in the bottom of literacy in immortal isn't terrible either at this time for immortal, especially if we are beelining parts of the tech tree and ignoring others. Remember that amount of techs discovered is not necessarily proportional to amount of science discovered (a much more important metric).
     
  13. Pydgie

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    So, what's up with Bambi? Did I miss the joke?

    Anyway, I'm almost certain... Actually I am certain that you can capture civilians with ranged units. Also good going for our science, we really need to focus there. Our culture is pretty bad (or at least it was under my rule) but I don't think we need to worry about that too much.
     
  14. Teproc

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    I think we're fine actually. Not great, but fine. As redwings said, being behind in science is normal at this stage of the game. We're a little more behind than we could, but it's fine.

    We have an interesting choice now : do we go to Machinery to attack Russia with Longbows, or do we go to Education first for science ?
     
  15. cpm4001

    cpm4001 Goggleman

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    Well, there was my problem then! I DoWed Melbourne by attacking clicking on the worker with that Scarcher we have, which then shot the worker instead of capturing it. I would've continued the war but Melbourne had a Comp. Bow and a Spearmen ready to kill the archer.
    So, if Silverman wants to try that again...

    We won't be starting the Nat. College before ~turn 90-95, as we have 20 turns left on the library in York (though if someone gets a worker down there to improve the tile with horses on it we should be able to shave a few turns off.) And I do know to expect that we'll be at the bottom in literacy for a while; what concerns me is that Russia has such a massive tech lead on us that they might try to attack with their much better units (they had some Swordsmen wandering about the place, as well as Spearmen and I think a few Comp. Bows.)


    Truth be told, I think we go Machinery.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Young_Ones_%28TV_series%29

    I didn't expect anyone to get it :D
     
  16. redwings1340

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    A second war with a city state will lose us a bit of influence with a couple of city states permanently. It's definitely not huge, and a worker is a nice payoff for it, but keep that in mind. Also, don't feel bad, my last two games of Civ I managed to completely botch a worker steal also. Once I tried to steal from one, but my warrior or scout was one tile too much away, and the other time I clicked on the worker to attack it, but then got messed up by ZOC because I declared war two spaces away instead of one. Both times I think I declared war the next turn and got a permanent -influence with the city state. I definitely deserved it for messing up though.

    Can we rush buy a library in York? If we can that would definitely be a very good investment.



    I agree. Longbows are awesome, and I think delaying education a little to get extra production in cities is not terrible. Beelining all the science techs after education is super important though in my opinion.
     
  17. Teproc

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    Yeah, we should not DOW a city-state now, it will cripple our game going forwards. An extra worker would have been really nice, but oh well.

    I looked at the save, and I think the library will build in 9 turns once York grows and we assign production. I don't think buying it will be necessary.

    Edit : Just checked, it's actually 9 turns before growth, so our NC should come in a reasonable timeframe.
     
  18. Silverman6083

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    Sorry guys I got real busy real fast, but I should play at the very least, if not an update.
     
  19. Pydgie

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    So Silverman, you are planning on playing right? No rush, just making sure so we can move the game on if you are not.
     
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    Silverman6083 History-Lover

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    I've played, I'll do a write up later

    THE UPDATE

    A bloody and bruised Silverman6083 was dragged out of the flogging pit. He, in a barely conscious state, uttered the immortal words.

    "Kill. The Russians."

    He then took it upon himself to pass out. He wouldn't wake up for another month.

    No one is exactly sure who governed in the down-time, but most agree he did a terrible job. The first thing he did was order a citadel to be constructed on the edge of the borders. This citadel struck so much fear into the hearts of Russian peasants, that they fled the area. and the territory was forcibly ceded to the Anglo-Rockians.

    A Russian ambassador then came to the Administration.

    "Sir," the ambassador nobly declared, "this is an act of treason against the Russian people, and there will be dire consequences."

    The person who governed was silent, and then asked:

    "So...this isn't a declaration of war?"

    "No.". replied a confused ambassador.

    "Well that was a waste. Tell your queen that this is.", the man handed the ambassador a piece of parchment. Though it is debated, most agree the parchment had a picture of a rock being thrown at a Russian with x eyes.

    By this time, Silverman had woke up and insisted that he command the troops. Most surprisingly, that didn't go so well. Most of the regiments were obliterated due to bad tactics, low morale, and quite frankly Silverman being ridiculously incompetent. No one exactly knew why this was so. After all, before the competition for leader, Silverman was quite the cunning general.

    In fact, the only thing that did go well was religious expansion. A great prophet was born in a quarry of marble, and declared that he was the "Prophet of Rockinism". This was quickly adopted amongst the populace, because they were attracted to anything that was shiny or had rocks, and this religion had both!

    Surprisingly, after the a second competition was held, Silverman did not make it, after a giant boulder mysteriously fell on him before he was prepared. Weird. Anyhows, a new, more competent looking leader, Js_9001, won. The people eagerly awaited the new leader's reign.
     

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