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A country where celebrities endorse Hitlerian race theory.

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Mouthwash, Jul 18, 2020.

  1. Lexicus

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    You know if you think about it it's pretty amazing that Berzerker will say a cop caught on tape killing an unarmed person deserves the presumption of innocence, but has already mentally convicted all the protesters of "violence" (which is the basis on which he's trying to exclude the current protests from the sphere of civil disobedience)
     
  2. Patine

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    A cop caught on tape killing an unarmed person is a murderer, but a rioter caught on tape yelling, "burn this ***** down," before setting fire to a building is an arsonist. If a crime is clearly caught on tape, it doesn't matter what side of the argument the offender is on - they're still a criminal.
     
  3. Berzerker

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    When did I mentally convict all the protesters of violence? I said the state must presume the innocence of people charged with a crime, ie the state has to prove their guilt, the accused doesn't have to prove their innocence. I said the cop who killed Floyd was a sadist and should be charged.
     
  4. Mouthwash

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    If anyone is still interested in the topic, this is a good primer on the new black antisemitism.
     
  5. Patine

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    I've never heard of this "Aero," site, not even mentioned casually. How do I know it is in any way, shape, or form trustworthy, and not as reeking with ideological bias as so very many others, ranging from "The Daily Beast," all the way to "Breitbart News?"
     
  6. Mouthwash

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    Patine, you are a genuine treasure.
     
  7. TheMeInTeam

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    You do get into some nuance as some laws are unconstitutional and thus not legal themselves, making disobedience of said laws something of a grey area.

    I've already given links, if that's not sufficient you can say why.

    You can pick one of these in its stead, the overarching "I don't want the USA to be like this" still fits: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_states

    The implication of non-violence in civil disobedience is pretty strong. Once people start turning to violence, in MOST cases other than self defense there is a direct crime associated with the action, as opposed to only refusal to comply with something. Whether it's enforced with any consistency is another matter of course.
     
  8. Lexicus

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    Hilariously, the US is increasingly resembling a corrupt Communist party dictatorship the more "capitalist" we get.
     
  9. Ajidica

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    Reminds me of the Jerry Pournelle and James Blish's future histories that featured the Soviet Union and the United States merging to end the Cold War.
    Come to think of it, Poul Anderson used the same thing in his Polesotechnic League stories.
     
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  10. Patine

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    Not Communist, no. Moreso the just-as-despotic-corrupt-and-abusive-of-power Third World Anti-Communist dictatorships the U.S. like to set up and prop up in the Cold War to supposedly stop the coming to power of Communist groups who were not objectively worse, just differed in some areas.
     
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    You might be surprised as to just who is making that happen.
     
  12. Patine

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    Let me guess. It's one of those ridiculous, insulting-to-the-intelligence, flimsy "one party or side is completely to blame," blame games, where the other side (usually that supported by the speaker, writer, or poster) has no part or implication in the problem (how else could they disingenuously be portrayed as the sole and only source of solutions). Let's cut the crap, shall we. Both sides have failed, both sides are part of the problem, and both sides are treasonous against their people - and both sides should be called to account, and the Duopoly, the corporatist plutocratic oligarchs who are their REAL masters (not the voters OR the Constitution) and it's rigged electoral system (you know, rigged like Russia or Zimbabwe, but closer to a late 19th Century Spanish Turno Pacifico) should be removed and a healthy and functional multi-party system enabled where the voters actually have real choice and a possibility of exerting accountability.
     
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    OK, here's why, none of them have any information on what demands BLM has that are Marxist. They show association with people who may be Marxist but they show nothing about BLM that's actually Marxist. A Marxist organization would actually be pushing Marxism. We need better links.
    Hilarious, the link includes this phrase "This list does not include socialist parties following social democracy which governed most of the Western world as part of the mainstream centre-left." Which is the only "socialism" anyone in the US is really pushing hard for.
     
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  14. TheMeInTeam

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    One of the co-founders is outright claiming Marxism for herself and another co-founder, and "disrupting western nuclear family" is also a Marxist talking point.

    Not true.
     
  15. Lexicus

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    What, you mean the Democratic House majority and not the Republicans who control most of the state governments, the Presidency, the Senate, and the Supreme Court?
     
  16. Ajidica

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    When Bernie Sanders and AOC, arguably the standard bearers of "American socialism", are in several respects to the right on economic issues when compared to such famed socialists as Charles de Gaulle and Edward Heath, your view of what comprises "socialism" may have a problem.
     
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    disrupting the western nuclear family is a general leftist talking point, not marxist specifically
     
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  18. Berzerker

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    but why?
     
  19. TheMeInTeam

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    It increases reliance on state, information control, and creates a feedback loop of people in poor situations leftists continually promise they'll improve.

    It's kind of like how the right promises smaller government but you virtually never observe smaller government actually happen if they get voted in, because if they did that they'd a) be out of a position and b) they wouldn't get to promise smaller government in the next election cycle anymore.
     
  20. El_Machinae

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    Other than Fossil Fuel and Defense, can you name any other industries that the Republicans specifically make the voter subsidize the winners that the Party chooses?

    I was being sarcastic, but I got depressed as I thought about it. Here's a place where 'both sides' really does kick in, eh? The corporate handouts coupled with trickle-down theory really does a number on a society. Defense and Fossil Fuel leap out to me as two egregious versions of making the US a corporatocracy, but many more examples sprang to mind.
     

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