So if you have starting your voting, you might have come across Proposal 4-21 (the espionage reworks, and found it a bit....complicated). Don't worry, your not alone
In this thread, I try to break down the basics of each proposal to make it easier to understand. I will also include my vote in this guide, so you can note any possible biases I might have.
4-21
This proposal is mainly about "tuning" the existing Spy mission durations. While it may seem to use a complex formula, the change is not all that different from what is used today in the game. The biggest differences are noted below.
Why should I vote for this? - If you generally like the style of mission durations today and want to see it tuned rather than dramatically changed, this is the proposal to pick.
4-21a
This takes mission durations in a new direction. The big changes:
NOTE: Stalker0 included this in his vote.
4-21b
This adds a new mission to the spy list, "Surveillance Established". Its effectively a delay of your spy, letting your spy staying in a city but not do any spywork, so you can select a mission later.
Why should I vote for this? - There are times when you land a spy in a city but it can't do what you want (for example, if a city is in rebellion, you can't siphon any yields). In the current game you just have to leave and start over again, or choose a suboptimal mission. This proposal gives you a lever to pull if you want to leave your spy and wait out whatever thing is happening in the city so you can get your mission in.
Note: Stalker0 included this in his vote.
4-21c
This changes the way the siphon X yield missions work. The general overview
4-21d
This makes counterspy missions easier to use. The overview:
NOTE: Stalker0 included this in his vote.
And that's it, while there is a lot going on, most of the proposals are self-contained. If your struggling with all of the combinations, what I do is just select at the top which options I liked....then I can look down and find the combination that hits my selections, I check the new box, and uncheck the previous ones.
In this thread, I try to break down the basics of each proposal to make it easier to understand. I will also include my vote in this guide, so you can note any possible biases I might have.
4-21
This proposal is mainly about "tuning" the existing Spy mission durations. While it may seem to use a complex formula, the change is not all that different from what is used today in the game. The biggest differences are noted below.
- England's spy boost UA is more definitive here, now speeding up missions by a full 25%.
- How city security is calculated is probably the biggest difference. First, it's a straight 25 before someone hits renaissance, and then it starts shifting turn by turn after renaissance begins. It is now more directly impacted by your city strength, making that an important lever in how resistant your city is to spy work.
- How many more techs and policies the enemy has matters more for reducing your spy durations (4% per tech/policy they are ahead). While this mechanic exists now, the proposal will make it more consistent across all types of spy work.
Why should I vote for this? - If you generally like the style of mission durations today and want to see it tuned rather than dramatically changed, this is the proposal to pick.
4-21a
This takes mission durations in a new direction. The big changes:
- Security levels no longer effect mission durations.
- Target having more techs and policies no longer effect some missions.
- Most modifiers to spies (such as statecraft/rationalism policies or spy buildings like the police station) are now a static adjustment of turns rather than a %. So for example, a constabulary increases all mission durations by 1, rather than X%.
NOTE: Stalker0 included this in his vote.
4-21b
This adds a new mission to the spy list, "Surveillance Established". Its effectively a delay of your spy, letting your spy staying in a city but not do any spywork, so you can select a mission later.
Why should I vote for this? - There are times when you land a spy in a city but it can't do what you want (for example, if a city is in rebellion, you can't siphon any yields). In the current game you just have to leave and start over again, or choose a suboptimal mission. This proposal gives you a lever to pull if you want to leave your spy and wait out whatever thing is happening in the city so you can get your mission in.
Note: Stalker0 included this in his vote.
4-21c
This changes the way the siphon X yield missions work. The general overview
- In simplest terms, the missions work a lot like the "kidnap" mission now.
- The mission duration hasn't changed (though it could be modified if some other of the 4-21 proposals are voted in).
- When the mission finishes, you no longer get a "lump sum" of yields. Instead, for 30 turns (modified by game speed), you get an X per turn of that yield (and the opponent loses X each turn). So if the city was getting on average 50 science per turn during the mission duration, when the mission finishes you would get 25 SPT (50% of 50) for the next 30 turns, and the city for that opponent would lose 25 SPT.
4-21d
This makes counterspy missions easier to use. The overview:
- All counterspy missions work at Spy level 1 now. So effectively any spy can counterspy without much trouble.
- The kill chance to take out a spy is lowered if the mission spy is stronger than your counterspy (Example: If the mission spy is level 3 and my counterspy is level 1, its 3-1 = 2, 2 * 10% = -20% kill chance).
NOTE: Stalker0 included this in his vote.
And that's it, while there is a lot going on, most of the proposals are self-contained. If your struggling with all of the combinations, what I do is just select at the top which options I liked....then I can look down and find the combination that hits my selections, I check the new box, and uncheck the previous ones.
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