A Hero in Kenya

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  1. bugwar

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  2. TheDuckOfFlanders

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    The Daily mail??

    The Dailymail is a respected source at Civfanatics? Plz say it isnt.....

    After having taken a quick glance at that article, can someone plz tell me what exactly heroic thing that ex marine did aside from brandishing his pistol and being all over women in distress?
     
  3. Murky

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    I think when it comes to new conglomerates like the Daily Mail online you have judge each article on its own merits. They have been known to print some hugely misleading articles so you might want to cross reference them if you use them as a source.
     
  4. bugwar

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    Isn't that like saying the firefighters wasted their lives and needlessly traumatized their families by running into the twin towers? :confused:
     
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    As soon as a 'reputable' source shows up to refute the article, I am sure one or more of the ever diligent forum members will post it.
     
  6. Borachio

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    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/kenya-shopping-mall-attack-hero-former-royal-marine-reentered-westgate-shopping-centre-12-times-to-save-100-people-from-terrorists-8836459.html

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/kenya-shopping-mall-attack-fouryearold-british-boy-freed-and-given-mars-bar-after-telling-armed-jihadist-youre-a-bad-man-8836104.html

    I don't mean to be flippant (actually I do) but did that gunman pay for those Mars bars?
     
  7. TheDuckOfFlanders

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    No Bugwar, rather that would be a wonderfull exercise of yours in bending my words.

    First of all, i did not in any way scrutinise the act of saving people or trying to do so, merely i was questioning whether there was much truth to this story.

    And there are obvious difference's for you to consider, like the ex marine was afaik not there in an official function, so compared to say the firemen of 9/11 or the soldiers/police intervening at that siege it's not exactly his job, rather he's acting on his own accord. From a firefighter i would expect him to do his job, and also to keep all people away that have nothing to do at that dangerous area at that moment. I would similary expect that if there would be a hostage situation somewhere, that the police would keep any would be hero from actually intervening on his own in the affair.
    I'm not saying that there are no circumstances in which people could do heroic things and maybe should even if it wasn't their job, but the comparison you made between this "hero" and the duty of the firefighters on 9/11 doesn't compare.

    So back to the information, the point i was scrutinizing. Can i wonder from which source exactly comes this testimoney of heroism? When a firefighter or a policemen would do something heroic, the news would be spread officially by the goverment, as they or the workforce would usually be the judge as to what constitute's an official hero. So is it the Keneyan goverment which recognize's this man as a hero, or some people who The dailymail interviewed?
     
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    Actually, if you look at your original post, you did exactly that.

    That was almost a point. I am not sure what it was, but let me guess.
    Could it be that acting on his own volition, that he was not ‘required’ to risk his life, elevate his status from those who ‘have’ to risk themselves for others?
    If I used that as a standard, it would put him a cut above those with a ‘mandatory obligation’ to put themselves in harm’s way.
    I am not sure if that was the point you were trying to emphasize, or why it makes any difference to acts of heroism regardless of duty, though I look forward to seeing your elaboration on that vision.


    Yes, you can wonder. Let me know what you decide.
     
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    No i didn't. I merely asked for more information on the nature of his heroism.


    That was merely a reply on how a person acting on own volition is different from a person who has a job to do.
     
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    wait until all the stuff starts floating around . Considering how the leader of the raid is announced to be a white British woman ... On how he might been scouting for targets worth immediate shooting .

    which then might also help to get this all new Valkyre thing with the El Kaide ? Once led by a woman they sure seem to be amenable for the "lesser forms of Cihad" like a call to convert instead a bullet in the head ...
     
  11. Borachio

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    Were the Kenyan Al Shabaab lot led by the British woman? I doubt it somehow.
     
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    this particular operation was commanded by the widow or something of a hero of a previous operation presumably that blew up something in London . As reported by the Turkish edition of the Voice of Russia which can be pretty accurate unless it's Putin this or Putin that . Which might not be an impression British Foreign Office would like at the moment perhaps .

    and certainly no need for jumpin' the gun . We are merely conspiratorially commenting , not drawing the scheme of operations for legal council .
     
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    she is white British woman enough , isn't she ?
     
  15. Borachio

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    Good point.
     
  16. Formaldehyde

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    I guess that helps explain why a former British special forces soldier was photographed with a gun in his belt, while apparently escorting two women to safety. He even heroically had his arms wrapped around them despite seemingly already being in a safe location while the people behind him are apparently loitering about.



    But it does raise a few questions, such as why the press decided it was necessary to blur out his face but nobody else's. Why he was carrying a gun stuck in his pants in the first place in a country where gun ownership is so restricted. And what he continues to do in Kenya after he resigned from the military.
     
  17. Borachio

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    I'm sorry, but what helps explain why a former British special forces soldier was photographed with a gun in his belt? The fact that an ex-marine was in Kenya?

    edit: to be honest this question is probably unnecessary. I thought I was in another thread about Nairobi.
     
  18. Formaldehyde

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    Why, he was heroically saving at least two women from imminent peril who were in no apparent danger when the photo was taken. You can't very well expect him to do that without a gun in his pants and his face blurred out to protect his identity. Just think how many more people he could have saved if he hadn't taken such extreme measures with these two ladies.
     
  19. Borachio

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    Well, you know what women are like. They get themselves into all sorts of tizzies when they're out shopping.

    Anyway, who is it? Andy MacNab? I can't think why they'd need to pixelate anyone else's face.
     
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    It's bit odd to see a guy like that carrying a pistol in an unsafe manner with the muzzle angled into his groin. Why doesn't he have proper holster for it? At least tuck it into the waistband behind your back so it isn't pointing at your body so much and you'll be a little more discrete as well.

    Edit: Maybe he borrowed the pistol from authorities who wanted the extra help.
     

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