A list of tips for Xtended

hi2006

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I would like to share a list of tips that I have gathered from playing Master of Mana Xtended. It's a fun mod and I enjoyed it a lot. The tips might be wrong and I don't play on high difficulty, so please correct me if I am wrong.

Map script: MoM, difficulty: Emperor

General:
  • always promote units as fast as possible. Promoting units in MoM doesn't heal the units, so there's no need to save the promotions.
  • always beeline to Warfare, so that units have 11 str, which is barely enough to clear barbarian lairs, and it's enough to defend against AI (at Emperor difficulty), so you can focus on civilian and magic research.
  • with 11 str units, farm some xp from barbs that enter you territory. You get combat bonuses from the Patriotism civic within your borders. Farm xp unit your have a few melee units that are promoted to Warlord (offense discipline). Then you can safely (probably 0 casualty) clear barbarian lairs
  • always build roads everywhere. In the first few turns you can build improvement then road, but once barbs start spawning prioritize road over everything. The extra movement can potentially give your units one more turn of healing in the city
  • if in doubt, your go-to choice of your first trait should be Creative, because it waives a lot of building material costs than the other traits and these buildings usually come very early, plus culture is very important in MoM. Creative also opens up Philosophical which has great synergy with a Great Sage economy (explained later). I usually time it so that I get Creative at the same time as I research Drama
  • when in doubt OR NOT, always take Empyrean as your state religion, because
    • it has the best temple (+20% science, +20% culture)
    • it has buildings that boost great person points (50%)
    • its special civic also boost another 50% great person points
    • so it's the religion that gives you the most mana, spell research, and combat affinity, due to Great Sage building mana nodes like in every 20-30 turns (in the worse case!)
  • if you're research slider goes below 50%, keep it that way even though you fixed your economy, since you can't manually change research sliders under 50%, and usually most of your research should come from specialists. Wealth % slider gives happiness for certain buildings.
  • consider placing your city next to a river. This enables you some buildings, like Water Works.
  • if a civ is designed to take a Guild that is useless, try to make up with summon units under a Great Sage economy and pick the better guilds
  • in the beginning, it's usually more cost-effective to build melee units, since it has a promotion path that allows you to get Second Chance (which makes a kamikaze unit live after battle)
  • it's a good idea to leave Aos Si alone, because it seems like the AI doesn't know how to work with the restoration rituals, so they just terratransform land into glassland for you to take.
  • remember to take a peek at Global Enchantments during the start of the game, 'cause you might miss a civ-specific global enchantment and wasted mana in the early game.

Barbarians:
  • the raiding barbs, that go all the way from their camp to your cities, usually just pillage. The group with 2 orcs 2 globin riders always suicide-charge at your city.
  • don't be afraid that barbs get stronger. You can always clear a camp with 2 meteor strikes and sweep with your combat units.
  • don't fight a necropolises that have wraiths. Even if you win your units will likely get withered (I don't know how to cure it)
  • it's best to raid a barb camp with Second Chance units
  • since barb camps always regenerate units when less than 3 units, it's a perfect opportunity for farming xp when playing without Raging Wilderness. Lizardmen are best for farming xp, since they're not too strong and very aggressive -- they usually attack even though your unit is way stronger than them, so your units can be on the defense and get healed.

Guilds:
  • God tier:
    • Mage guild. Not only it allows you to turn mana (which is wasted in the early game) into production, you should try to rush for Catacomb Libralus so that your mages can be promoted to a sage (discipline) immediately after unit built (Sage mages can build sage towers, which can skyrocket your spell research in the early game). The last guild research gives 100xp for newly summoned units, which is what you need in the late game. Also, this guild enables decent weapons at the 3rd guild tech, namely the Frost Spear (+40 attack strength, +2 first strike) and the elemental bows (50% strength), which is VERY strong buffs for a guild tech that you can get pretty early. It allows you to build mana vaults, so you can grab fire and nature manas.
  • Second tier:
    • Artisan guild, which is likely my second choice. No matter when you take it, it's a must-take since it's the only guild that *reveals* resources. To put in perspective, your cities always get the 20% food bonus from Deer camps even though you don't have the Ranger Guild, and Deer is always revealed, but metal resources are hidden behind Artisan guild so you can't get 20% production bonus from copper since you can't see it. Thus, the Artisan guild is extremely powerful.
    • Merchant guild. I usually get it when I am running 50% research 50% wealth, unless your civ needs lots of money. The Trading District usually saves my economy. Also, 50% wealth is +5 happiness for Banks
  • Third tier:
    • Ranger Guild. Personally I don't use this guild very often, because captured animals take up unit capacity. Also, the Harvesting civic gives bonus to glassland-based improvements, which is rare (in the MoM map, usually the good civs, Elves, and Aos Si are spawned in glasslands). Though, it's a must-take for archer-based civ since all bows demand very high lumber
    • Religious Guild. This one benefits more for the Good civs than the Evil civs, since the good side allow you to build the Altar which expands the capability of priests. Though, Evil civs can't run Herbalist so this is the only source of Medic II.
    • Herbalist. Pick this if your starting area is full of grassland. End of story. I think this guild makes promoting to archmage more viable, since your units can take the Potion of Clarity to raise their xp to level 8.
  • Trash Tier:
    • Slave Guild. While you get decent production from slaves and extra unit capacities from Guild/Hall of the Nine buildings, this guild tend towards penalties to Great Person points, so it's bad for the long run. Also, it gives unhappiness which is annoying.
    • Cult of Esus. The invisibility is useless in single player, and I only play single player.

Districts:
  • you capital is always a good candidate for sage district, because
    • it gives you the great library, which boosts Sage specialists
    • MoM maps usually gives you 2 food resources at the starting places, so the pop will be high
  • focus on building a Sage-based specialist economy. Sage can build mana node so +str to affinity is limited to the amount of free land that you have. Late-game summons with mana affinity can overpower everything.
  • if your city has a peak in the city radius, almost always consider building a Sage district, since the peak enables you to build an observatory (+50% science, no resource needed)
  • if your city has lots of food resources, consider building a Sage district for a Great Sage farm, as long as your economy can handle it. The more the better. Build a merchant district if you're going to run in deficits.
  • consider building a merchant district when precious metals are nearby.
  • consider building a merchant district if the city is adjacent to a river (enable brewing house; and with Herbalist guild, you can build an apiary)
  • at one point in mid-late game, it's probably best to focus on Bard districts for the unit capacity and culture

Mana:
  • before building a magic Tower, always research spells that allow you to build buildings that give you mana, otherwise you might lose that mana without replacement
  • usually you want to get fire mana ASAP, since it has the best offensive spells, but only 1 is needed
  • usually by some point during mid-game, you want 1 water and wind mana, so that you can terratransform your land into grassland.
  • then you should build a single type of mana node:
    • nature mana nodes: you can cast Gift of Nature, which is THE spell that allow you to support a huge empire and crash your foes with absolute economic might. Gift of Nature doesn't have an upper limit, so once you have like 10 nature manas, you won't run out of resource again. Well I just like playing big empires, so this is my go-to mana.
    • life mana nodes: good economy and Blessing of Life is the best-in-class enchantment that gives you the effect of March, 10% bonus heal speed, on top of +1 affinity to life mana.
    • I didn't really tried to mass-produce other kinds of mana, though based on the effect descriptions, I think mind mana is not bad. Tome of High Arcana have global enchantments that aren't bad, your Phantom Warriors becomes +3 affinity with mind mana, March's effect, and 50% heal after combat.

Combat:
  • Experience rates are different for units with experiences 0-30 (unit gets roughly 10xp per kill) and 30-and-on (unit gets roughly 2xp per kill). To maximize the stregnth of your troops, farm experience in this way (for non-charismatic leaders):
    • level up any units with < 30 experience (usually it takes 3 kills), so that units get a discipline
    • once all units have > 30 exp, level up the ones in the 30-40 exp range, so that units get a class
    • once all units have > 40 exp, pick your best unit (that doesn't get second chance) and level it up to 300 exp, so that it gets the Hero promotion, then level up your next best unit to get the Hero promotion. Attach a great commander if you can. Usually for me this would be a Recon/Cavalry unit.
  • don't bother with siege units. They come too late and mages are better, because usually cities have 4 units in the garrison so collateral damage isn't meaning -- don't know, I never used siege weapons in this mod.

Promotions:
  • melee (without Second Chance): always go for Offense discipline then Warlord. Nothing else is worth it than getting Second Chance.
  • melee (with Second Chance): always go for Vengeance (can equip Frost Spear, 40% attack strength + 2 first strikes) then Blade of Fury (1 first strike & 1 movement range - the movement boost is more valuable than the first strike).
  • melee (Garrison): always go for Defensive then Lord Protector
  • econ/cavalry: always go for skirmish since units can take Exotic weapons (i.e. Frost Spear, +2 first strikes) and can promoted up to Drill 4. So with Frost Spear most units can get 6 first strikes. Usually I go for Bards as the unit Class, 'cause it boosts culture
  • mage
    • usually I take the first 2 promotions that increase aura targets, then a discipline + class, then max out promotions that increase the number of spell targets
    • I found that there are only 3 classes of mages that are useful:
      • Sage (Wizardry discipline) - I usually build 2 sage mages per city: 1 for building the sage tower, and one for conjure matter
      • Warlock (Sorcery discipline) - these are my combat mages
      • 1 Seer (Wizardry discipline) - I usually keep one of them for +3 visibility range
      • I found other kinds of disciplines are pretty useless

Improvements:
  • the majority of your empire's improvements should be farms, mines, plantations, because they can potential discovery resources; other than that, build Lumbermill and Groundwater well (for adjacency food bonus)
  • I left out quarry because it's usually worse than mines, because
    • only the slavery guild boosts it, and the guild's features sucks
    • I found that early city buildings require wood instead
    • though do build quarries if adjacent tiles have stone/marble resources
  • don't build cottages unless its your civ's specialty. Cottages just suck in comparison to a Great Person (Sage) economy.
  • try to build as many wineries as you can in Sage & Merchant districts, since they usually lack happiness
  • avoid trade posts too, since Trade Center has a 1% (!!) change of finding the Herb resource (like Wheat and Banana), which doesn't grant any bonus other than 1 Herb resource (the currency for buying potions) and ruins a possible place for mana nodes

Civ-specific:
  • Sheaim - forget about Ashen Veil and go for Empyrean -- high Armageddon counter can't beat mana spam. In most of my games, Ashen Veil civs usually die to the AI first. Also, Thralls can turn into Soulbound Demons, which is a decent unit (2 movement, March, mana affinity).
  • Grigori - ALWAYs make your adventurer fight, so that it gets the Hero promotion after combats. Don't promote your adventurers unless they have the Hero promotion, or you'll regret it.
  • Aos Si
    • use Firefox to scout the area, then delete it so that you can build Shrine of the Champion (same goes for Loki).
    • don't pick Fellowship of the Leaves, because its bonuses don't work with Eternal Woods, which is a bit anticlimactic; pick Empyrean instead
  • Jotnar - if you pick the Ranger guild, you get a 22-str Cykrop instead of a normal ranger. Basically like getting a tank in the ancient age.
  • Clan of Embers - I think it's better to use the free Great Commander from Warfare to build command post, so that with warrens, warrior district and training yard, you get 2 melee units of 40xp out of the gate. That's quantity with quality. Also, use your units to scout and hope for it to pop Crafting in one of the goody huts.
  • Sidar - it's better to command post with a Great Commander from Warfare. Experience gain is lower to like 2-3 exp per combat after 30 exp, so I think (not 100% sure) it's more efficient to wane with 40xp units out of the gate, and rebuild the units once the xp drops to a certain point.
  • Luchuip - the only type of golems you should be building are Clockwork Golems and Iron Golems. I think Luchuip gets bonus lumbers and stones to make up with the cost of the golems, but it's actually better to spend them on buildings and improvements. Even though I suggested Empyrean for everything, it's not a bad choice to pick Kilmorph as the state religion, since Luchuip lacks melee units (i.e. Second Chance) and Soldiers of Kilmorph is a melee unit
  • Kuriotates - in case you didn't realize, each Kuriotates cities can build all 3 basic districts (noble, merchant, sage)

Exploits:
  • sometimes a barbarian city is next to an orc camp. If you conquer that city, then move your unit out, the orcs will conquer the city back. Each time when you conquer a city you get roughly 1000 gold. Imagine repeating this indefinitely.
  • you can summon beyond your troop limit as long as your mana can handle it
 

Jojo_Fr

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Good tips man.
You thinked a lot about the game.

Wanna play multi ? I'll teach you some new tips. MP me if you want :)
 

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nice analysis.
the focus on Sage economy is interesting, especially in combination with a mage-summon army.
I wonder if other strategies are as successful... and might mix up the worth of some other techs / promotions / guilds /
 

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There are lots of bad advises too.

For exemple, going for Empyrean as Sheaim is far less strong than going for Veil for lots of reason.

Temple Guild is great in some situation. For exemple for Elves as they generate lot of Faith. Great if you wanna grab Way of the Wood as fast as possible.

Herbalist guild is a situationnal guild. I agree. But for Armurite, it's your priority, after Mana guild (which is as you said, overpowered and good for everyone).
 

hi2006

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For exemple, going for Empyrean as Sheaim is far less strong than going for Veil for lots of reason.
Would you mind to explain this? I think Sheaim gets Planar gate units even without Veil, and they are stronger than normal 7str units + have affinity to Chaos mana. Since you already get strong units, wouldn't it be best for Sheaim to avoid the Veil because Hell terrain ruins a Sage economy? Is there a better strategy for Sheaim that's better than creating mana nodes every 20-30 turns?

I'd like to add that I usually win the game with Tower victory, since I usually have lots of mana nodes so I can conjure the stones for the tower and have 10+ mages to rush the tower every turn. The district enabled by the mana guild scales with the number of mana nodes, so the more mana you have the more spells you can research. Even before building the tower, conquest is meaningless since multiple meteor attacks would damage enemies to almost dying. That's why I keep bringing up sage economy.
 
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Play Ao Si under ashen veil - its irrationally cool :D Usually I do not like Ashen veil at all - it burns forests and many buildings/units need wood.
 

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In general very useful tips, but I strongly disagree with:

a) capital being the best suited for sage guild

I would only go for Sage with mountain AND wine, both. In most cases the best choice IMO is merchant to warehouse. Because: You would ususally unlock warehouses early and the main limiting factor for most civs is lumber / stone requirement. Warehouse multiplies also yields from palace and this is very significant increase

b) guilds tiers. Important thing is not only what they offer, but also WHEN they offer some benefit
God tier:
1) Merchant guild
Basically the must have every game as 2nd, the latest 3rd guild. Merchant houses is probably the best civic of 1st column, but you don't need to advance as far as 4th tech there. 1st tech in this guild is enough to justify beiing the top tier: unlocking 3 districts specialisations and all of them you really need to have resources for buildings and cash to support cities. The best thing about this guild is that you dont have to go past merchant houses or even 1st tech in many cases, leaving your culture for more civ specific guilds.
2) Rangers guild.
All techs till tier 3 offer something usefull. Turning animals to culture early is strong (followed by +1 health and sth like +3/+4 happines per city), but what really shines here is harvesting civic and sawmills. Everything in MoM requires lumber. Tons of lumber. How can you build all those carnivals and libraries without wood? How can you run specialists if elders council or travelling merchant requires wood? Sawmill is the best answer for it.
It also unlocks health / happines from soome resources like silk / dumbos / furs / deer and those can be converted to even more health / happiness or gold via buildings.
Free recon at first tier is also great if going rangers as first guild: Quick hidden promotion would let you explore the whole map and take all those tribal villages = hundreds of gold and some free techs. In most cases no need to go very deep if you don't want teleprorts.

2nd tier:
Priest chapter
There are so many civs that benefit from uniques here, that this guild have to go high, also the only source of healing for evils. Disciples units are good in most cases and this guild unlocks also crazy strong creatures with sth like +3 affinity for certain civs. Unfortunately really strong benefits come late like 6th tier, still enabling incense and using increased faith for spellcasting is worth 2nd tier
Artisan guils - unlock and leave. Revealing gold / silver / gems / copper + possibility to do mimning expeditions is enough. Reaaly powerfull weapons / armours here late, as well as more commerce and hammers from mines, so in many cases worth developing further
Herbalist - potions to increase strength and fast experience + plenty of healthiness. Maybe not the 1st and 2nd choice, but shines at 3rd guild when your cities scream for health. Weaker than Artisan and Priests, but I am not sure if another tier should be created.

3rd tier
Mage guild
Equipment is the only thing worth here. Turning mana to hammers is very ineffective on low levels and mana has always better uses (enchantments, weakening barbs). What would limit you in construction is not 60 hammers from 150 mana, but lumber and stone. See ranger / merchants guilds. Reagents are unlocked here but it is weak reource - only 1 health. Except leaders with certain magical traits and civs focused haevily on mana not worth it. More mana for spells can be replaced by priests and religious spells, equipment by mining / rangers guild, everything here is to be replaced by other guilds, including victory condition - you would faster accumulate 15k faith for final religious ritual than build tower of mastery. And if everything can be replaced, it is not justified to keep it the same tier as priests / mining / herbs.
Maybe i don't see sth here, but slightly better equipment cannot compete in case of non haevy magical civs with priests, free exp, stronger cities, not mentioning even merchant and ranger benefits, which are by far the most universal for any kind of civs
Cult of Esus
The nuisance is that thieves take unit capacity, But still, they will explore hwole map for you taking all villages and later keeping them in low defended city will give you many free techs. Those very advanced too, the game does not see the difference if you steal immortality or Cartography. As well as cities for free, even without war declaration. Blessing for all barbarian leaders suffering from research penalty. Also opens guerilla tactic - attack, hide into shadows. Very very effective. The problem is that it competes with strong guilds and you rather want gold economy running.

4rd tier
Slavers guild - slave spam + merc are extremely effective in some cases, but it is too civ specific
 
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