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A real coup d'état in Mali

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by madviking, Mar 22, 2012.

  1. madviking

    madviking north american scum

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    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2012/03/201232251320110970.html

    More updates forthcoming.

    It's really bad to see violence erupting in one of the less-messed-up sub-Saharan African countries. Hopefully civil war does not ensue from this...

    From what AJE is saying, it seems to just a rogue band of troops, nothing really big. So hopefully they'll be quashed quickly.
     
  2. innonimatu

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    Oh, how nice. The french now have another place in Africa to bomb. And just in time for the elections.
     
  3. Traitorfish

    Traitorfish The Tighnahulish Kid

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    I'm never quite sure whether it's more accurate to say that the French have never really grasped the whole "decolonisation" thing, or whether they've grasped it altogether too well. :hmm:
     
  4. innonimatu

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    Well, as someone put it in another thread, they got all the <snip> pieces of Africa
    And that meant most of those territories simply didn't had, upon independence, what it takes to be an independent state in the modern world. The french were fully aware of that when they granted independence to their african colonies. And that they could continue to exercise a lot of influence there. Moreover, they didn't had any real competition, those territories weren't worth it.
    The great exception was Algeria, large and potentially rich enough to carve an independent path, and with other states lining up as potential "allies"/trade partners. And Algeria was the one colony they desperately tried to cling to.

    I'll add that even even now there are several Africa states that are mere mockeries of states. That are unlikely to ever achieve any measure of independence, due to lack of local resources and/or to continued foreign destabilization. Most of which in West Africa. Just look for those with a currency pegged to the Euro and/or laws copied wholesale from their former colonizers or unchanged since colonial times, and you'll identify them. It's a dog eat dog world.

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  5. Joecoolyo

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    Damn, Mali was supposed to be one of the up-and-coming African countries. Sad to see set-backs like this.

    Hope it does turn out to just be some rouge soldiers.
     
  6. innonimatu

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    Mali, up and coming? :lol:

    There are serious problems with lack of resources in that region. And sadly the one country in the area (Nigeria) which had the size and resources to affirm its independence and prosper has been bogged down in a swamp or corruption and ethnic-religious divisions. It's almost as if oil in particular is a curse more than a help for undeveloped countries. Nigeria without oil might have been less corrupt, less divided, and have a sounder economy.

    But at least in Nigeria they mostly sunk themselves. Didn't had to be bombed by foreign air forces and divided by foreign armed rebels, like another oil-rich country up north.
     
  7. Boundless

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    Rouge Soldiers?

     
  8. Joecoolyo

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    Up and coming in Africa means relatively stable (emphasis on relatively), and uh, maybe some good economic indicators.

    Mali was relatively stable until this.
     
  9. Huayna Capac357

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    It's too bad. It seems like whenever there is a period of stability in a West African country, it gets ended by a military coup or other such occurrence. There was violence in Cote D'Ivoire last year, the post-election chaos in Senegal earlier this year, and now this.
     
  10. amadeus

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    Too far north for me to care about. ;)

    Check out OumouSam on twitter, she's an aid worker (groan) in Bamako giving periodic updates.
     
  11. innonimatu

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    I never asked, why do you care about the southern portion of Africa, specifically?
     
  12. Tee Kay

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    It was neither, really. The north has been in a state of rebellion on-and-off since after independence, and economically it's not that great compared to other African countries (though it has been improving recently).

    Still, damn, so that means we won't get to see a Mormon president then.
     
  13. amadeus

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    :dunno:

    I suppose I can elaborate on a later date. I'm packing for Japan at the moment. Fitting your life into two suitcases and a carry-on is harder than it looks.
     
  14. FriendlyFire

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    Given how tiny the rooms / homes in Japan are I thought that one would have been cured of having a lot of material processions ?
     
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    Most apartments are bigger than 2 suitcases...
     
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    Besides the Tuaregs in the north, it wasn't all too bad stability-wise there, especially when compared to other African nations neighboring and surrounding it.

    Which is why I said relatively.
     
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    Ehhhh... you could do better than Mali even within West Africa. Ghana, Benin, Togo, Gambia or Senegal, for instance.
     
  18. chad187

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    Why so much hate for the Tuaregs? seems like they would be better off on there own...
     
  19. Tee Kay

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    And you say this because...?
     
  20. Quackers

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    Mali, such an up and coming nation, on the verge of joining the high income devoloped nations on the world..

    :rotfl:
     

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