A suggestion: Titles

[FakeShady]

So i just downloaded and played SoI, and to be honest i hated that mod so much i deleted after 30 minutes of playing it. But there's one thing about SoI that caught my attention, and that titles. So even though i believe some people have already suggested this, im gonna suggest this be modded in, shouldnt be too hard i hope?

1) Controller of the Holy Land:
-Must be a Catholic nation
-Must control Jerusalem
-+5 stability

2) Holy Roman Emperor:
-Must control at least 10 cities (vassal counts)
-Must be a catholic nation
-Must be the civ with most Catholic faith points
-Your civ name gets changed to 'Holy Roman Empire'
-+5 stability

3) Ruler of the Latin Empire
-Must be a catholic nation
-Must be in control on Constantinople (vassal doesnt count)
-+5 stability

4) Sultanate of Rum
-Must be a Muslim nation
-Must have Constantinople as your capital
-Must control at least 10 other cities
-+5 stability and +5 faith points

just a suggestion

 

[ComradeNapoleon]

How can you hate SoI o.O

 

[rob85]

Maybe Byzantium is too weak...

 

[ComradeNapoleon]

Yeah, make Roman Emperor for Christian Nations, then Byzantine UP should be Greek Fire (same as the one from the mod for RFC). Also, for you to refer to any Anatolian Muslim country as the Sultanate of Rum is incorrect. If anything in the game is going to be referred to as the Sultanate of Rum, it should be when Anatolia is barbarian (Seljuks)

 

[FakeShady]

Yeah, make Roman Emperor for Christian Nations, then Byzantine UP should be Greek Fire (same as the one from the mod for RFC). Also, for you to refer to any Anatolian Muslim country as the Sultanate of Rum is incorrect. If anything in the game is going to be referred to as the Sultanate of Rum, it should be when Anatolia is barbarian (Seljuks)

I can think of 10000000000 reasons on why i hate SoI, and i only played it for 30 minutes. But this is RFC:Europe, so lets leave SoI out of this. The Sultanate of Rum having to move their capital to Constantinople thing is simply to encourage the Ottomans to move their capital to Instanbul, because that is something rarely seen in the game. Oh and Greek fire is a technology, not a power.

I would like to hear some agreement that this is a good suggestion before i suggest more titles

 

[Opera]

The Sultanate of Rum has nothing to do with the Ottomans though. And AFAIK Rum never had Constantinople, so...

Titles may be a good idea but:
- They aren't only about stability
- They can have tight requirements

Take the HRE one. With your reqs, I could make a HRE out of Spain. HRE's reqs could be something like: control [province of Aachen] + [other provinces traditionally HRE-y].

But overall I'm not sure. There'd need to be a few very neat titles for it to be worth adding.

 

[FakeShady]

The Sultanate of Rum has nothing to do with the Ottomans though. And AFAIK Rum never had Constantinople, so...

Titles may be a good idea but:
- They aren't only about stability
- They can have tight requirements

Take the HRE one. With your reqs, I could make a HRE out of Spain. HRE's reqs could be something like: control [province of Aachen] + [other provinces traditionally HRE-y].

But overall I'm not sure. There'd need to be a few very neat titles for it to be worth adding.

Rum never had Constantinople, but the Turks are only really considered a threat by Europe after they took it and made it its capital. The idea is that this will encourage the Turks to capture Constantinople, make it its capital, and be Muslim. (yes there are a few times where i have seen Orthodox Ottomans in the game) And yes fyi, Spain could have easily been the HRE. The idea here is to have many possible candidates for HRE, not just Germany. Overall, this idea is to improve gameplay, to give certain civs the incentive to do certain things, and not to make things 100% historically accurate.

Sure titles arent only about stability, but its the best thing i could think of. If you have better ideas do say them

 

[Opera]

This won't improve the gameplay unless there are changes made so the AI considers going for the titles. AI work is a tedious, long process so I doubt it'd be worth it.

Sultanate of Rum still doesn't work. The Sultanate of Rum was an entirely different thing, another Turkish state/tribe (whatever the Ottomans are compared to the Rum).

The reqs for your HRE are still too loose. Way too easy to accomplish (and the AI would nearly never make it so the player will always get it if playing right).

I'm not as buff in history as others around here so I won't suggest titles.

 

[merijn_v1]

Personally, I don't like this idea. In SoI, the titles realy represent something, but in RFCE, I have the feeling the don't.

 

[ezzlar]

I think the idea can prevent some unintentional effects of for exemple the crusades, upon capturing Jerusalem many civs get stability problems. With a crusader bonus you would still be ok.

Or a way for the Ottomans to try to conquer eastern Europe without massive stability problems.

Dont know how much work it would be... And then all that balancing. Maybe something worth adding after v1.0?

 

[FakeShady]

Okay. Overall its sad but understandable if this idea isnt implemented. But the HRE concept is something that has been long debated and i feel this is the best solution to it

 

[merijn_v1]

Okay. Overall its sad but understandable if this idea isnt implemented. But the HRE concept is something that has been long debated and i feel this is the best solution to it

I agree the HRE can be represented better in the mod. They only question: How?

 

[FakeShady]

I agree the HRE can be represented better in the mod. They only question: How?

Title suggestion no.2 above, not good enough? looks good to me hehheh

 

[merijn_v1]

As I said, I don't like the titles. (Not for RFCEurope. In SoI, they are nice. They don't fit RFCE IMO)

 

[Defenestrator]

Titles would be a pretty neat addition to RFC:E, but I hope they'd be more universal than the titles available in SoI. Here's some ideas:

• "Fidei defensor": The civ with the most faith points OR the Catholic civ that participates in the most Crusades OR the Catholic civ that conquers the most Protestant cities.
• "Grand Inquisitor": The civ that carries out the most religious purges within their territory.
• "Tsar of All Russias": The civ holding the greatest number of "Russian" provinces. A bonus against barbarians would be a good bonus for this one.
• "Holy Roman Emperor": The civ possessing the most provinces from Charlemagne's historical empire. Possibly some spreading Catholicism aspect too. Good UHV for Burgundians or Germans.
• "Autokrater/Eastern Roman Emperor/Sultan": The Orthodox/Catholic/Muslim civ (respectively) in control of Constantinople/Istanbul. Probably a stability benefit.
• "King of Jerusalem": Catholic civ in control of Jerusalem.
• "Commander of the Faithful": Muslim civ with the highest faith points. Combat bonus would be best.

The best way to do it would to have both religious titles (i.e., available to only Catholic/Protestant/Muslim civs) and geographic titles (like Holy Roman Emperor, Tsar, Sultan, King of Jerusalem, etc.). Maybe colonial titles too? Getting a majority of Indian Trading Posts could grant you "Emperor of India" or something. That'd be a good English UHV.

 

[Jusos2108]

Maybe Byzantium is too weak...

That could be the reason. Although Byzantium is actually much more playable and powerful in SoI than RFCE. I think this has something to do with prejudices...

 

[civ_king]

Titles would be a pretty neat addition to RFC:E, but I hope they'd be more universal than the titles available in SoI. Here's some ideas:

• "Fidei defensor": The civ with the most faith points OR the Catholic civ that participates in the most Crusades OR the Catholic civ that conquers the most Protestant cities.
• "Grand Inquisitor": The civ that carries out the most religious purges within their territory.
• "Tsar of All Russias": The civ holding the greatest number of "Russian" provinces. A bonus against barbarians would be a good bonus for this one.
• "Holy Roman Emperor": The civ possessing the most provinces from Charlemagne's historical empire. Possibly some spreading Catholicism aspect too. Good UHV for Burgundians or Germans.
• "Autokrater/Eastern Roman Emperor/Sultan": The Orthodox/Catholic/Muslim civ (respectively) in control of Constantinople/Istanbul. Probably a stability benefit.
• "King of Jerusalem": Catholic civ in control of Jerusalem.
• "Commander of the Faithful": Muslim civ with the highest faith points. Combat bonus would be best.

The best way to do it would to have both religious titles (i.e., available to only Catholic/Protestant/Muslim civs) and geographic titles (like Holy Roman Emperor, Tsar, Sultan, King of Jerusalem, etc.). Maybe colonial titles too? Getting a majority of Indian Trading Posts could grant you "Emperor of India" or something. That'd be a good English UHV.

1) Grand Inquisitor should give a bonus to Inquisitions, how about halved instability and counter decreases by 2x per turn

2) One of France's UHGs is to recreate Charlemagne's empire (Which is mostly in France).

 

[FakeShady]

Titles would be a pretty neat addition to RFC:E, but I hope they'd be more universal than the titles available in SoI. Here's some ideas:

• "Fidei defensor": The civ with the most faith points OR the Catholic civ that participates in the most Crusades OR the Catholic civ that conquers the most Protestant cities.
• "Grand Inquisitor": The civ that carries out the most religious purges within their territory.
• "Tsar of All Russias": The civ holding the greatest number of "Russian" provinces. A bonus against barbarians would be a good bonus for this one.
• "Holy Roman Emperor": The civ possessing the most provinces from Charlemagne's historical empire. Possibly some spreading Catholicism aspect too. Good UHV for Burgundians or Germans.
• "Autokrater/Eastern Roman Emperor/Sultan": The Orthodox/Catholic/Muslim civ (respectively) in control of Constantinople/Istanbul. Probably a stability benefit.
• "King of Jerusalem": Catholic civ in control of Jerusalem.
• "Commander of the Faithful": Muslim civ with the highest faith points. Combat bonus would be best.

The best way to do it would to have both religious titles (i.e., available to only Catholic/Protestant/Muslim civs) and geographic titles (like Holy Roman Emperor, Tsar, Sultan, King of Jerusalem, etc.). Maybe colonial titles too? Getting a majority of Indian Trading Posts could grant you "Emperor of India" or something. That'd be a good English UHV.

Great suggestions. It would be nice to see even some of these suggestions being implemented.

"1) Grand Inquisitor should give a bonus to Inquisitions, how about halved instability and counter decreases by 2x per turn"
then the Spanish will have no use for this title. Maybe something like +faith points will be a better bonus. As for what Catholic faith points are for after 1500, i believe thats currently being discussed in another thread.

 

[2phunkey4u]

In SoI, a Catholic civ controlling Jerusalem gets the title "Protector of the Holy Sepulchre". Ain't that a good one?

 

[hoplitejoe]

the problem with the commander of the faithful one is that there are only really 3 Muslim civs in the game, one of which collapse early and another that spawns quite late.