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ActualQuotes diplomacy text!

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Modpacks' started by Willowmound, Dec 7, 2005.

  1. Willowmound

    Willowmound Wordbug

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    ****NEW ActualQuotes for Warlords can be found here.

    ****Most recent vanilla version can be found here.


    This mod replaces the original leader-specific diplomacy text with text based around things these leaders’ real-life counterparts actually said –- some famous quotes, and some not so famous. All quotes have been implemented as seamlessly as possible, so as to become a natural part of the text. Many quotes have been paraphrased or tweaked to make this possible.

    I have tried to retain much of the light, humourous tone of the vanilla text, however some of the more outragous silliness is gone (no more caesar salad or kumbaya).

    Not all leaders have a complete "set" of new text, but everyone has at least one quote, most have more, and all have new first-contact text.

    If you decide to try this new diplomacy text, bear in mind that under most circumstances there is only a small-ish chance the leader with whom you’re speaking will use text that is specific to him/her. There is a pool of responses that is used more often than those specific to a leader. This means you might not see much difference at first -– however, as you play, every now and again a leader might suddenly say something slightly more interesting than what you’re used to! For more details on the quotes and sources, please see the readme-file. I have used over 120 actual quotes, so there is in fact quite a lot of new text.

    For flavour I’ve had Ceasar speak a few words of Latin to you when you first meet him. I’ve also had Louis XIV greet you in French. As I’m not exactly fluent in either language, if you find a mistake, please let me know!

    Also, please note that there is NO leader-specific text for Frederick. Why Firaxis didn’t include any text for him, we may never know. I tried giving him some, but for some reason it doesn’t show up in the game. If he actually says ANYTHING to you upon first contact, please let me know!

    For this project I worked from rjwoer’s grammar- and syntax-improved diplomacy text, and so have retained his punctuation style.

    To use the ActualQuotes diplomacy text, place the file Civ4DiplomacyText.xml in:
    …CustomAssets\XML\Text

    Or, if you want to add it to a specific mod only:
    …Program Files\Firaxis Games\Sid Meier’s Civilization 4\Mods\[YourMod]\Assets\XML\Text

    Enjoy! :)

    UPDATE

    Version 1.21

    *Fixed stuff: Some typos, some inconsistencies in spelling.

    *Changed stuff: A few more generic responses have been changed so that they suit all leaders. Washington will for instance no longer celebrate by sacrificing warriors or virgins!

    ****File removed. Please see links at top
     
  2. Willowmound

    Willowmound Wordbug

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    First contact screenshots…

    Civ4ScreenShot0002.JPG

    Civ4ScreenShot0008.JPG
     
  3. Junuxx

    Junuxx Emperor

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    I really like this idea! Good job! :goodjob:

    Maybe I can give you some ideas for the quoteless leaders...

    Hapshepsut:
    - Hapshepsut's pharaoic name Maat-Ka-Ra means "Truth is the genius of Ra"
    - Her full name was "the Horus, mighty by his Kas, the lord of East and West abounding in years, the good goddess, the pious lady, the golden falcon, divine in her rings, the King of Upper and Lower Egypt, Kamara, the daughter of Ra, Khnumit Amon, Hatshepsut."
    - A quote from Hapshepsut on the temple known as "The grotto of Artemis" is: " I raised up what was dismembered, even from the time when the Asiatics were in the midst of (the Delta), overthrowing what had been created. They ruled in ignorance of Ra, the sun god, and acted not by divine command, until my august person."
    - You might also try to search for a quote about the Nile or 'Puntland', the country from which the Egyptians thought they originated.

    sources:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hapshepsut
    http://www.touregypt.net/magazine/mag02012001/magf1.htm
    http://www.bediz.com/hatshep/cartouche.html

    for Mansa Musa:
    - he's also known as Mansa Moussa, Gongo Musa, Kankan Musa and The Lion of Mali
    - it appears there's a group called the Mansa-ray that teach "the teachings of Mansa-Musa". There must be quotes by him around, then.
    - You can, of course, use a reference to his famous pilgrimage. Or is such a thing in already? Not sure
    - " It was boasted by Musa that it would take a year to travel from one end of his empire to the other. Though an exaggeration by a proud king, the 14th-century traveler Ibn Battuta indeed noted that it took about four months to travel from the northern borders of the Mali Empire to Niani in the south."
    - Another quote, by unknown, states that "Timbuktu is the cross-road where the camel met the canoe."

    sources:
    http://www.playahata.com/pages/bhfigures/bhfigures6.html
    http://www.isidore-of-seville.com/mansa/2.html

    For Montezuma:
    - Name sometimes spelled Moctezuma, Motecuhzoma or Motecuzoma, which means "He who make himself master of his rage"
    - When Montezuma made first contact with the Spanish, he thought Cortes was the god Quetzalcoatl. You might refer to that
    - I found a letter, written by Hérnan Córtes, where he quotes Montezuma's actual greeting.
    It's rather long though and kind of submissive: Link
     
  4. JamieCiv4Files

    JamieCiv4Files Chieftain

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    woodelf Bard Retired Moderator

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    Nice idea to give them real character. Looks like a good addition.
     
  6. Rufus T. Firefly

    Rufus T. Firefly Rufus is coming in town!

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  7. Lightzy

    Lightzy Warlord

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    Sheer genius.
    Sheer genius.
    Sheer genius.
    Sheer genius.
    Sheer genius.
    Sheer genius.

    I love you Willowmound!
     
  8. ranathari

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    This is an absolutely superb idea! I think you should open a new thread for people to propose quotes to be added to the mod so that it can grow to the point where each leader is completely distinguishable by their responses alone.
     
  9. Esteban

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    Thanks so much I was so annoyed with the supposedly funny leader
     
  10. ibcoltscrew

    ibcoltscrew Prince

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    For the chinese civ...
    Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me !
     
  11. Willowmound

    Willowmound Wordbug

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    Well, I must say I'm little bit overwhelmed, thank you all so much for the positive feedback!

    @Junuxx: those are some really good suggestions, I will difinitely look into all of them!

    @JamieCiv4Files: hey thanks!

    @Rufus: I'll see if there are any quotes there I don't already have (and I've collected quite a few now for this project!)

    @Lightzy: I'm sure I love you too :)

    @ranathari: I may do that. I haven't experimented yet with giving leaders more than their default number of specific responses, however it looks like it might be possible. To be able to distinguish leaders by their responses alone, you'd need to remove many of the common responses and add alternatives for each specific one. Otherwise they'd say the same things over and over.

    @Esteban: no problem!

    @ibcoltscrew: Where's that from?

    Again, if anyone finds any mistakes -- including typos or quotes you think are implemented akwardly -- please let me know! Thank you :)
     
  12. ibcoltscrew

    ibcoltscrew Prince

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    Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me ! Chinses proverb. There is the link.
    http://www.santacruzpl.org/readyref/files/d-f/fool.shtml

    Most of people think this proverb is from USA but it is from China, like most of american think Einstein was American when he was German Jew... not people here tho, thanks to Civ1-2-3-4 lol.
     
  13. Depravo

    Depravo Siring Bastards

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    For Elizabeth it's got to be that famous quote from the Tilbury speech - 'I may have the body of a weak and feeble woman, but I have the heart and stomach of a king, and a king of England too...'
     
  14. Willowmound

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    Yeah, on second thoughts I know I have heard this before. It's a good one too! However, this is the ActualQuote mod, where leaders say things their real-life counterparts actually said. Proverbs don't fit the bill I'm afraid.
     
  15. KeldorKatarn

    KeldorKatarn Chieftain

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    If course you heard this before.. That's one SCOTTY used in one episode! :p
     
  16. Simetrical

    Simetrical Chieftain

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    Wikiquotes looks to be a useful source:

    Hatshepsut
    Napoleon
    Washington

    Etc. By the way, konnichi wa (or konnichiwa, or konnichi-wa) has two N's.
     
  17. Willowmound

    Willowmound Wordbug

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    Thanks for pointing that out, Simetrical, it will be fixed in the next version!
     
  18. Requies

    Requies Prince

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    No, that's "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice..... you can't get fooled again." :mischief:

    Req
     
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  20. Simetrical

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    The particle in question is written with the hiragana character normally used for ha, but is both pronounced and transliterated wa, always. The Hepburn system does not transliterate it ha, and nor does any other that I know of.

    And if you're going to split it up into syllables, konnichi wa is five syllables: ko + n + ni + chi + wa. The n is syllabic, as in English button.
     

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