Additional Luxury Resources for VP

[gwennog]

Some of the merit is also yours as I used the photomania website you suggested to edit the alpaca picture I used as base.

In fact, @Hinin is the discoverer of photomania, thanks to him . But I see it works very well with you too. Surely quite a bit of talent too .

 

[gwennog]

There's also the aloe vera resource I added that spawns on flat desert tiles.

Yes, that's true, haven't used it yet but I should. The problem is that I'm completely addicted to MWfVP and I don't always read everything but anything that is adding resources doesn't work well with it.

 

[jarcast2]

UCS give some additional bonuses to resources, seems that these resources are not recognized.

I cannot possibly add compatibility for all the mods out there.

Yes, that's true, haven't used it yet but I should. The problem is that I'm completely addicted to MWfVP and I don't always read everything but anything that is adding resources doesn't work well with it.

The current version of AssignStartingPlots.lua in main VP and MWfVP already supports map placing of aloe vera. I provided the compatibility files myself like also in this case.

 

[Agiwan]

Maybe we could merge your modmod with EvenMoreRessourcesForVP so we have everything in the same place ?

 

[jarcast2]

No. The reason is that we want it to be most modular as possible in order to push it into main VP.
One time I asked in the discord why not integrate Even more resource mod into main VP and I was replied that there were too many resources.
So if I modify EMR and the 3 resources get in main VP then I have to modify EMR back to its previous state.
Also there are 2 versions of EMR, one base and another for Unique City States modmod, making any update a greater hassle.
It's not worth the effort and being a separate mod requires just one more click in mod selection anyway.

 

[gwennog]

The current version of AssignStartingPlots.lua in main VP and MWfVP already supports map placing of aloe vera. I provided the compatibility files myself like also in this case.

Cool, thanks.

 

[azum4roll]

I don't think we need more luxuries in VP. The existing ones already cover everything and were a pain to balance (with respect to base yields, improvement yields, building yields, monopoly effects, AND spawn rate).

 

[jarcast2]

I don't know why you need to have always such a contrarian attitude.
"Existing resources cover everything". False: electronics shape our whole lives and societies nowadays but no resource represents this aspect (gold may be one but is tied mostly to jewelry): a quartz/silicon resource covers that and is also more apt for a 10% science modifier monopoly than freaking whales.
Secondly, I don't think N.Core commissioned the new resource models to ghost_toast for them being just a modmod.
Also if VP is going to manage the implementation of 2 additional unique components per civ, it can for sure manage balancing 3 new luxury resources, or 2 as camel may not be as necessary as the other 2 (alpaca for textile industry, silicon for semiconductors).
Obviously depending on the community choice on the matter.

 

[gwennog]

"Existing resources cover everything". False: electronics shape our whole lives and societies nowadays but no resource represents this aspect (gold may be one but is tied mostly to jewelry): a quartz/silicon resource covers that and is also more apt for a 10% science modifier monopoly than freaking whales.

I agree with the argument about quartz for its increasingly advanced use progression in history. However the whale or rather its oil is also a real engine of the scientific advancement, from the Romans (and well before in Asia) to the arrival of mineral oil. Whale oil was first used as fuel for oil lamps and as wax for candles, it was also used as an ingredient in the manufacture of certain foods, margarine, also in perfumery or as a cosmetic excipient, in the manufacture of soap, paints, varnishes, wool, in the greasing of leathers, the waterproofing of wood, the lubrication of weapons and tools, and public lighting.

I don't really agree with sacrificing the +10% Science for a +2 production with no real connection, in my opinion. Keeping this bonus for a land and sea luxury resource seems good to me. Maybe decrease it to 5%? And maybe differentiate the bonus buildings?

 

[jarcast2]

Update online.

Whale monopoly bonus back to original +10% science in cities.

 

[gwennog]

Whale monopoly bonus back to original +10% science in cities.

Cool but it's also to open the discussion with a view to future integration.

 

[azum4roll]

I think we all agreed for there to be more BONUS resources available in desert and jungle. Each region type already has enough luxuries, however.

 

[Bysonte]

Even more luxuries have coconuts, which would be great as bonus resource in jungle (considering their big importance in those areas).
Could just "borrow" it, I know, another plantation, but it fits.
Luxuries wise, from that mod, obsidian and platinum sounds like they could fit really well in base VP.
Actually, if exotic birds are hard to implement, wouldn't a compromise being peacocks?
Can just keep them grounded, so no need for some special work on it.

 

[Bysonte]

I have a small critique, quartz visually is identical to marble, making it very hard to discern the two.
What about making it a slighty dirtier white to possibily help give it a sort of "glassy" look?

 

[jarcast2]

I have a small critique, quartz visually is identical to marble, making it very hard to discern the two.
What about making it a slighty dirtier white to possibily help give it a sort of "glassy" look?

I used 3d models made by others because unfortunately I am not able to create new ones or modify existing ones. The only one able to do it is not anymore available, so this is it. :\

Also update online.

 

[gwennog]

I used 3d models made by others because unfortunately I am not able to create new ones or modify existing ones. The only one able to do it is not anymore available, so this is it. :\

For the colors, you just have to modify the dds. Hinin and I have already done it on improvements (for example Bayou Cabin). I think it is also feasible for quartz.

 

[Lumpyacidfish]

Even more luxuries have coconuts, which would be great as bonus resource in jungle (considering their big importance in those areas).
Could just "borrow" it, I know, another plantation, but it fits.
Luxuries wise, from that mod, obsidian and platinum sounds like they could fit really well in base VP.
Actually, if exotic birds are hard to implement, wouldn't a compromise being peacocks?
Can just keep them grounded, so no need for some special work on it.

give me palm oil so I can play out my brutalist tropico experience