Agro Civs

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  1. thegingerninja

    thegingerninja Warlord

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    I am trying to compose a top ten of agro civs and have nominated greece, aztecs and korea. I need help from people who have ideas on civs to nominate.

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  2. whyidie

    whyidie Emperor

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    Huns need to be there. Japan outstrips Korea IMO. Mongols will attack someone at some point, but not always the human controlled player.
     
  3. ense7en

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    There are actual values for this (with +2 to -2 variations IIRC).
    I forget the thread where this is from, but someone here posted the exact values, which you can see here:

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    So here's your list (based on actual numbers, not just annecdotal experience):
    Higher the number the more likely they are to go to war:
    (8)Aztecs
    (8)France
    (8)Huns
    (7)Songhai
    (7)Japan
    (7)Mongols
    (7)Carthage
    (7)Sweden
     
  4. pyroflare77

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    That chart is slightly outdated. The Fall patch bumped Dido up to a 7 as well, and I believe she's the only one that received a change in that category.


    Hurf durf assumptions and lack of checking assumptions and skimming are great ways to make you look smart.

    In my defense, the fall patch did change her and made her a lot more deceptive. That's basically like another war category, right? >_>
     
  5. Tachii

    Tachii Procrastinator

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    Sounds about right. I've ALWAYS fought with them if they were my neighbours. Always found Sweden ironic played by the AI since they rarely form any DoFs. :/
     
  6. ense7en

    ense7en n7

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    It's possible some of the values are different now, but i don't recall there being much said about actual AI flavor changes other than Dido, as you mentioned, so i suspect it's still all accurate other than Dido's deceptive level is likely higher now.
     
  7. pyroflare77

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    Her Deceptive is way higher (8), Hostile's up to 6, guarded up to 5, afraid down to 3, but friendly up to 6. But she's way more likely to be aggressive now.

    If Deceptive is treated another war value, we have:

    (8) Carthage
    (8) Huns
    (7) Aztecs
    (7) China
    (7) France
    (7) Germany
    (7) Ottomans
    (7) Russia

    Which makes the civilizations most likely to frontstab or backstab you (adding war and deceptive approaches, so plus or minus 4 to these values):

    (16) Huns
    (15) Aztecs
    (15) Carthage
    (15) France
    (13) Germany
    (13) Japan
    (12) Celts
    (12) Ottomans
    (11) China
    (11) Incas
    (11) Rome
    (11) Russia
    (11) Siam
    (11) Spain
    (10) Babylon
    (10) Byzantium
    (10) Denmark
    (10) England
    (10) Greece
    (10) Mongolia
    (10) Songhai
    (10) Sweden

    Though this doesn't factor in their likeliness of not being outright aggressive-- for instance, Wu Zetian is just as likely to be friendly as she is to be deceptive. Likeliness of being hostile and whether or not that is directly linked to likeliness of declaring war is also not factored in.

    I think I'm looking too much into this.
     
  8. pyroflare77

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    Okay, I looked even more into it. This will not show exactly how aggressive a civilization will be, but it will show how likely they are to be a jerk. Which, in most instances, leads to war.

    To do this, I added up their values for war, hostility, and deceptiveness and subtracted it from how likely they are to be friendly. I ignored the other diplomatic states because in my experience, they're not a factor in how likely a civ will be a jerk. These values can vary by up to eight, so even if a civ is fairly low on the list they have the potential to be a jerk.

    (21) Huns
    (17) Aztecs
    (15) Carthage
    (14) Greece
    (14) Japan
    (13) Celts
    (13) England
    (13) Spain
    (12) France
    (12) Rome
    (11) Denmark
    (11) Egypt
    (11) Incas
    (11) Ottomans
    (10) Babylon
    (10) China
    (10) Germany
    (10) Mongolia
    (10) Songhai
    (10) Russia
    (9) Sweden
    (8) Arabia
    (8) Mayans
    (7) Netherlands
    (7) Siam
    (6) Byzantium
    (5) America
    (5) Iroquois
    (5) Korea
    (5) Persia
    (5) Polynesia
    (4) Austria
    (4) Ethiopia
    (2) India
     
  9. JMLOng

    JMLOng Chieftain

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    What is with Gandhi's nuke build and nuke use flavor being 12? The highest by far of anyone! Is that some kind of joke or does Gandhi have some nuking history I'm not aware of...?
     
  10. ense7en

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    You said it.
    It's a bit of humor by the devs i think, as he's peaceful until nuke time, then it's oh crap!
     
  11. Louis XXIV

    Louis XXIV Le Roi Soleil

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    If it varies by 2, does it go around again? Meaning, can Gandhi also be at 1 or 2 for nuke value?
     
  12. masterofroflnes

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    i love how India is a 12 on "use nuke"
     
  13. Arachnofiend

    Arachnofiend Perturbed Pugilist

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    It's a reference to a bug in the first Civ game. Ghandi had the lowest possible aggressiveness stat in the game at 1 but adopting democracy decreases that stat by 2. The game read -1 as the highest possible number, leading to modern era India's words being backed by nuclear weapons.
     
  14. thegingerninja

    thegingerninja Warlord

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    Thanks for the chart thingy. I never knew it existed!:goodjob:
    PS i always wipeout ghandi so i never knew about his nuke-happyness:nuke:
     
  15. fernetekhd

    fernetekhd Chieftain

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    I lol'd at the value for Gandhi to use a nuke...
     
  16. thegingerninja

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    One thing i love about nukes is that you get your uranium back. Lots of money + 2 uranium =endless supply of nukes

    I have become death, destroyer of worlds
     
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    Soemthing is wrong here because Greece will attack you every time.
     
  18. thegingerninja

    thegingerninja Warlord

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    There should be a backstab column. Sejong would be at the top of mine because every time I've met him we start being freinds and then quickly goes to denouncing and then war
     

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