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Ahmadinejad "wins" Iran presidential election

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Abaddon, Jun 13, 2009.

  1. JerichoHill

    JerichoHill Bedrock of Knowledge

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    Your bias shines through:

    COPS: Tough, Working Class, Ahmadi voters
    MIDDLE CLASS : Spoiled, Pampers, Whiners, Disgracing
     
  2. luiz

    luiz Trendy Revolutionary

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    As I have said since the begining, what matters the least for me is whether or not this election was stolen. I don't consider Iran anything resembling a democracy either way. What matters for is how the authoritarian iranian regime deals with the situation, and thus far it has been worse than expected.

    This whole "they are even being moderate if you consider they're fighting a revolution" things is crap. What revolution, a bunch of kids on the streets? Who aren't even armed and have not threatned the fundamentals of the regime! The "status quo" camp has control of the Revolutionary Guard and God knows how many other armed militias, and have been using said control to harass and even kill protesters.

    The disruption of communications (a fact, not an allegation), ordering reporters to stay in their offices, arresting opposition politicians... all this goes to show that the government believes to be the wrong side.
     
  3. biggamer132

    biggamer132 King

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    This post disgusts me. Take a look at the pictures of the demonstrations - I see old people, war veterans walking on crutches, women in chadors, laborers, and people from every part of society marching. You have absolutely no place calling these people spoiled whiners, none at all, especially not from the UK or wherever it is that you are.
     
  4. JerichoHill

    JerichoHill Bedrock of Knowledge

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    amadeus Large Marge sent me

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    For those talking about the odd timing of Ahmadinejad being out of the country at this time, it isn't impossible that some kind of revolutionary change could happen in Iran; Milton Obote of Uganda was overthrown when he was visiting Singapore in 1971.
     
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    gangleri2001 Garbage day!!!

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    In the news journalists only report about the cities. Does anyone know what's happening in the rural areas?
     
  8. biggamer132

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    I linked to an article a few pages back from an expert on rural Iran who has many contacts there. At least some villages were, politically, as pro-Mousavi as the cities, and equally upset with the result.
     
  9. zenspiderz

    zenspiderz Just some bloke..

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    Re: my cop comment..

    yes that was a bit of a weird one even for me. :lol: Well i seem to have mastered the trick of seeing through the eyes of others in order to better understand them and empathise with their situation. I have done the same trick for the protesters i just didn't publish the result becuase i didn't think any of you hadn't already done that. Well cops are people too; it is cheap and easy to characterise them as brutal, cruel, thuggish control freaks. There are two sides to every story as they say, can we not try and see things from the point of view of the cops too?

    Oh and i have found out from relatives in Iran something very interesting about mr mousavi which explains a lot about why he ran for this election in the first place and also why he cried foul in the way he did. Grab a stiff drink you will need it when you hear this.

    Okay we all know by now that rafsanjani is the king fat cat of the iranian establishment, popularly despised and suspected of corruption on a huge scale. We also so know ahmadi extrodinarily openly on TV no less accused rafsanjani of corruption! Well it doesn't take a genius to see that rafsanjani would have a motive for trying to prevent ahmadi of getting re-elected; it is clear rafsanjani must fear that if ahmadi is re-elected rafsanjani can expect criminal prosecution. We know he has afflieated himself with mousavis campaign. ok but here is where the plot really thickens. My iranian relatives tell me that mousavis wife is none other than rafsanjanis daughter! lol so mousavi is part of rafsanjanis family 'business'. No doubt mousavi is in as much danger of criminal prosecution as rafsanjani and would share rafsanjani desperate need to prevent an ahmadi re-election at any cost.

    Eh could it be more obvious? Some of us have already wondered why mousavi would put himself forward for election now after 20 years of political activity. Still more odd that the reformist party would have him. Now his motive is clear. Perhaps they sincerly tried to win the election, but given that losing would mean jail time, it is easy to see that they would have a plan B for the likely possibility that they would lose. Hence the plan to call fraud and whip up popular frenzy, in order to try for a snowball effect that would result in a full blown revolution overthrowing the establishment and saving themselves or at least give them a card to play to exchange for amnesty. as in we will call off the civil disobedience if you give us immunity from prosecution.

    EDIT ADDITIONAL!

    Going back the theme of photoshopping this article claims that the bbc no less has done the same thing!
     
  10. biggamer132

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    I'm not trying to flame here, but I don't think you're all there. Mousavi's wife is 11 years younger than Rafsanjani. I doubt Rafsanjani could get it up when he was 11, much less have a child.

    Although I agree with you about cops being people - probably why the news reports now describe how the official police have stopped bothering the protesters and started protecting them from the Basij, and given how enamored you seem to be with Ahmadinejad and how anti-democracy (as far as Iran is concerned) you are, I'm going to guess your relatives in Iran are members of that most holy innocent-beating militia?
     
  11. zenspiderz

    zenspiderz Just some bloke..

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    Ok i will try to verify my relatives claim and rest assured they are ordinary working people who without exception are not connected with any militia, government sponsored or otherwise.

    My impression of ahmadi is positive, maybe i have him wrong, maybe you have him wrong. I am not anti-democracy for any country and most especially including iran. The reason i am inclined to dislike rafsanjani and by extension be suspicious of mousavi is that it is clear they are the real anti-democrats who manipulate and rob people for their own selfish advantage in this sense they are not different from the shah's gang. Do you think the shah is a democrat too?

    EDIT ADDITIONAL! I have tried searching the internet for some corroboration of my relatives claim but found nothing at all. I will get my wife to ask her family to clarify this claim further next time she calls home. For now it seems this claim that mousavi's wife is rafsanjani's daughter is a bizzare and incorrect rumour. My apologies:blush:
     
  12. CCA

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    The level of appologenstia by the left is starting to sicken me.

    If it was a right wing tin pot general doing this they wouldn't be coming up with all this convulted apologentsia.

    Note: Protestors have been SHOT AT and KILLED. It almost really doesn't matter at this stage whether or not the polls were rigged, the true face of a government ready to SHOOT TO KILL protestors is an ugly one.
     
  13. Evie

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    Hey, now don't go around pinning any of this on "the left".

    The people backing the Iranians over the internet range from Socialists to Neo-Cons, with a hodge-podge mix of Pacifists, Conservatives, Independents, Liberals, Cyber-Anarchists, Libertarians and more besides. About the only thing they agree on are "Go Iranians" and "Booo Ahmadinejad".

    The sort of reaction we've seen from a few in this thread is more of the garden conspiracy theory variety.
     
  14. Enkidu Warrior

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    I have to kind of agree with both of you. The reaction by some supposedly on the left does indeed greatly disappoint me, but let's not pretend that the conspiracy theory bunch represent the left.
     
  15. CCA

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    There are some prominent left-wingers here that I'm really really disapointed in. You know who you are.
     
  16. Ziggy Stardust

    Ziggy Stardust New Englander

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    Left wing? What the spruck does that have to do with "apologising" Ahmedminijihad's rule?

    Since when did this thing turn into a left/right thing?
     
  17. JerichoHill

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    The Shah's been deposed for awhile.

    Meanwhile, the ruling party in Iran has blocked all media and its militia are brutally killing folks. Not saying the other side is peaches and cream, but clearly, the ruling party ain't something great.
     
  18. JerichoHill

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    Khamenei implied in his speech today that the demonstrants are "enemies of Islam" - nice. He also said that the media reporting about this are owned by Zionists, even nicer :lol:
     
  20. holy king

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    so achmadinejahd is not a right wing dictator.

    is he a left wing dictator?
     

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