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AI Accuses You of Conquering Yourself

Discussion in 'Civ5 - Bug Reports' started by clearbeard, Jan 13, 2011.

  1. clearbeard

    clearbeard King

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    It's nice that the new patch (1.0.1.141) has seemingly abandoned the whole "diplomacy should be mysterious" tripe. The new spirit of openness has revealed yet another surprising bit of behavior though: civs being angry with you for conquering yourself!

    The scenario: I capture a worker from Oslo, currently under Siam's protection. Return to peace immediately (I know it's an exploit... so sue me).

    Next turn, Siam comes calling, saying they're upset I attacked their friend. No surprise there. I say I'm sorry and go on my merry way.

    Turn after that, Siam comes back with a new gripe. To quote: "It seems your word is worth nothing, as your conquest of Harun al'Rashid shows. How despicable. The world will know of your crimes." The amusing (and buggy) bit, of course, is that I AM Harun al-Rashid. Guess I've mastered the ancient art of lying to myself?
     
  2. DaveGold

    DaveGold Emperor

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    I'm pretty sure that the AI confuses players and this would explain much of the schizophrenic AI diplomacy in the mid/late game. It's pretty hard to pin down though as very little explanation is provided for AI diplomacy anyway and I've no idea if it persists through a reload.
     
  3. EndoConvert

    EndoConvert Warlord

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    Confirmed, and with a savegame available, too. I accidentally started a new thread "AI Accuses You of Conquering Yourself", which has the savegame and screenshot attached, because I forgot about this one. Could the mods please merge these two threads and move it to the Confirmed Bugs forum?
     
  4. EndoConvert

    EndoConvert Warlord

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    If you DoW a CS under another civ's protection and then make peace with that CS on the very same turn, then the next turn, you may get a warning from the protecting civ to withdraw. Choose the nice option. The turn after that, you will be accused by that AI of conquering...yourself! This is clearly impossible and nonsensical.

    Alternatively, you can wait to make peace until right after you get the warning from the protecting civ. You will still get accused by the AI of conquering yourself the turn after that.

    For example, see the attached save game (1.0.1.141, with all DLC civs and the popular Info Addict mod), in which the player is China. Have the warrior DoW Edinburgh by stealing Edinburgh's worker. Then either make peace with Edinburgh immediately (on this turn 53), or wait until after Alexander tells you to withdraw the next turn (turn 54) to make peace with Edinburgh. The turn after (turn 55), Alexander accuses you of breaking your word by conquering Wu Zetian:

    Spoiler :


    I am playing as Wu Zetian! How could I possibly conquer myself?
     

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  5. EndoConvert

    EndoConvert Warlord

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    After some Googling, I found that others had also experienced this exact same problem, as reported in a general discussion thread "Your Own 'What' Moments":

     
  6. EndoConvert

    EndoConvert Warlord

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    Oh, wow, now I remember why this situation seemed so familiar: because someone else had reported this very same bug a couple weeks ago, without any savegame, and I had posted in that thread and then forgot about the bug. The thread is at http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=407756. Could the mods please merge these two threads and move it to the Confirmed Bugs forum?

    Civ 5 has so many bugs I can't even keep them straight. :( I did search the bug list, but since this bug hasn't yet been listed as confirmed I didn't find it.
     
  7. The_J

    The_J Say No 2 Net Validations Retired Moderator Supporter

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    I think 2 independent reports are enough for a confirmation.

    You're still better than me. I wouldn't have remembered thread anymore, i've already lost the overview.

    And yeah, the state of Civ5 makes me cry. It's so embarrassing.
     
  8. baldfalk

    baldfalk Warlord

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    Darius says:
    It seems your word is worth nothing, as your conquest of Ramkhamhaeng shows. How despicable. The world will know of your crimes.

    I'm... uh... playing Siam.

    This was a game that was crashing prior to today (no idea if the patch for Korean support had undocumented codebase changes) and I have saves, FWIW.
     
  9. The_J

    The_J Say No 2 Net Validations Retired Moderator Supporter

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    Do you maybe have a current savegame for the situation?
     
  10. baldfalk

    baldfalk Warlord

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    Whoops, guess I'm bad at searching for threads; didn't actually occur to me to search in confirmed bugs.

    Here's the save; do exactly as #4 says - capture the settler, make peace on the same turn, pick the nice option vs Darius, and the bug should reproduce.

    To be slightly more useful, at least it's another separate confirmation with save state of the bug. Also, I'm not too sure what I was doing differently yesterday, but the game was crashing instead of Darius freaking out.

    This is on Patch 217, completely vanilla with no mods.
    edit: oh, it's not 217 anymore with the Korean support patch, but yeah.
     

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  11. dshirk

    dshirk Firaxian

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    Thanks for the saves, we're looking for this one now.
     

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