AK-02 american chopper

I had a brief look at the save..

Our economy is bad, we are loosing money at 0% science..
Good thing is we have courthouses almost everywhere.

I will take Guimares in my turnset and I would like to keep it, the site isnt that bad and I don´t wanna spend hammers on another settler.
Afterwards I´d like to make peace with portugal, WW is getting bad and their last? city is far south, and they wont be a threat anymore.

Other plans are to train new workers!!, construct and work cottages to get money and improve our eco.

I will continue lit (we have marble) but other than that, the tech that will help us most at the moment is currency and build some markets.

Maybe a Great prophet for the confu shrine is also in order?

Playing in 10 or 12 hours from now, any objections? :)
 
wenz said:
I had a brief look at the save..

Our economy is bad, we are loosing money at 0% science..
Good thing is we have courthouses almost everywhere.

I will take Guimares in my turnset and I would like to keep it, the site isnt that bad and I don´t wanna spend hammers on another settler.
Afterwards I´d like to make peace with portugal, WW is getting bad and their last? city is far south, and they wont be a threat anymore.

Other plans are to train new workers!!, construct and work cottages to get money and improve our eco.

I will continue lit (we have marble) but other than that, the tech that will help us most at the moment is currency and build some markets.

Maybe a Great prophet for the confu shrine is also in order?

Playing in 10 or 12 hours from now, any objections? :)
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Just got done with work , havent had a chance to take a look at the save but im strongly AIGENST making peace with joao , his last city is a fantastic city and all our captured city's will get the we want to join our motherland.

I would prefer to raze both guimares and the barb city and settle 2S 1E , we already have a lot of overlap and waste tiles and capturing guimares and perhaps the barb city later on just results in more of this.

After we get the great lib and perhaps the parthenon our economy will recover quite fast I think , our city's grow can work some cottages while 1 city is burning out great ppl.

Will look at the save now for more comments.
 
Just looked at the save , im a bit disappointed that all of our units got send to the same city (and we have quite a army) , i was sending the lvl 2 swords from boston to coimbra to attack the soutern city but removed the go to orders since these offcourse arent allowed in SG's , I probebly should have noted this to split up the army and highly lessen the time it would take to finish joao off.


Some notes:
Our economy is taking quite a hit with all the ww and our army is far away from the southern city's , im still not sure if its worth to make peace and get another 3 or 4 times -1 for declaring war unless we let him live but in that case we get the even more anoying we want to join our motherland.

Coimbra isnt safe(only a axe+spear) and there are 2 chariots and a sword closeby so perhaps send a spare unit there or watch them closely.
Boston will grow into unhappiness next turn so switch sometiles.
Oporto can build/whip a settler if we raze the 2 city's and can build a nice city with better tiles and no overlap.
 
we need a dotmap. I'd do one tomorrow, but wenz will be done by then.

Educate me on what everyone has against a cease fire. On monarch, I do them all the time. It takes the AI off military building and gives one time to catch breath. Redeclare when ready. yeah, there's all those negative "declared on my best buddy" negatives, but other than that, what's the downside?

As far as the 'we want to rejoin', starve or whip. I forget if we're in caste or slavery.
 
We could build a settler in Oporto in 6 turns. We could send seperate stacks vs Guimares and Barbe city. By the time these cities we get stacks to these cities and raze them the settler won't be too far away.

We could probably afford to continue the war until J is finished. The downside is that our research is effectively 0%. On the other hand Willem has literature already and we're many turns away at our current research rate.

I think we have two options at this point. We can either declare peace now and focus on lit and racing Willem for Glib while building a settler and getting armies in position for simultaneous attacks after ceasefire wears off. Or we can continue the war until J is annihilated.

We won't automatically win the Glib race if we start to go for it now though we might. Even though Glib is a nice wonder I don't think there's such a thing asa game-breaking wonder. I'd therefore vote for annihilating J and maybe looking at Willem (Colossus, Glib?) as a future target.
 
just a quick note..

couldn´t find the time to as I was stuck in MP :)

will play tonight though, sry all
 
Had another look at the save .

The barb city has been from Joao since 600BC , just checked the log.
Clicking it finds our barb city.

On the cease fire and redeclare , its not such a problem if we would share the same religion as our trading partners but we only have +1 with Willem , +2 with Elizabeth and +1 with Sitting Bull and with all 3 of them we get another -1 penalty if we redeclare.
They arent the most agressive nations however when it comes to warring so I guess it wouldnt be a short term problem.

I changed some tiles and we can get lit in 7 while fighting and fighting gives us more loot to speed up the research .
Just get 4 cottages + iron + 1 deer and the silver mine in Washinton , and 4 cottages + 2 scientist at Boston (it will starve 2f/turn but we cant grow anyway and we dont have a granery up anyway.

Have we made up our mind on where we gonna build the NE?
It will be important to get enough scientist to make sure we win the lib race , as I suggested earlier I would go for Lisbon , we are building a library there atm , if we whip it we will be able to chop the great lib there followed by the NE to make it a even better GP farm.
It has 8 forests to chop already and 3 more will come up if we raze guimares.
It will grow big once we kill Joao .
So if we follow this plan what we need to do now is cancel all/most of our worker builds and start prechopping the forests near Lisbon .
We can get it very fast in Washington but it has so much GP corruption that we wont get to many GS and for bureaucracy's sake wont run to many specialist so it isnt our optimum city.

Also included a dotmap on where I would suggest to place the new city if we raze the 2 portuguese city's.
Spoiler :



I vote for keep fighting and finish Joao off , Washington can make more units if we need some .
 
alrighty, war will continue and guimares razed, other things is training some workers and glib

early:
- stop SoZ and SPaya plans, but will continue parthenon
- delete some warriors to save money
- start forbidden palace in lisbon, seems a natural location to me
- get another unhappy from portugal war :mad:
- random event destroys barracks & court in our capital, could have been worse
- some cities are bulding research because they have nothing else to build..
- raze guimares, while loosing some units (which is good :) )

middle:
- WW gets really bad!
- direct all EP´s towards willem, since he is researching philo, maybe we can steal from him later
- literature is discovered, also trade currency from willem for CoL and 135 gold, start on civil service, we can trade other techs along
- parthenon built in New York, other cities whip markets :mischief:
- De Gaule demands priesthood, I give in for cheap diplo bonus
- NOOOO I lose our settler for new city site to a portugal chariot :cry: this will cost more portugeese lives!
- trade calendar from sitting bull for currency, wasnt possible before as MoM was jst build this turn (by the french)
- with our cities whipped to death the war isnt that bad =) ,researching at 50% though

late:
- great library built in our cap [party]
- great scientist born in washington, I wait for the team what to and put him to sleep,personally I would build an acadamy with him
- Olmec is finally captured, kinda hard to raze a size 10 city but I do it
- as a result, great general is born, I settle him in boston, where I also start heroic epic and cap starts national epic, but both builds can be cancelled by the next played if team is against em
- found Philadelphia on the spot shadzy19 proposed
- nothing important happens, only an annoying event destroying our marble quarry
- stop one turn early, time for bed :sleep:

enjoy my new widescreen :D
 

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notes for team/next player:

- great scientist is unmoved in our capital, acadamy or wait for educationn bulb?
- portugal is still alive but we have nothing to gain from them, peace now?
- our cities are smaller than before, again, sry :lol:
- have a look at the espionage screen, if we continue to them on willem we might send some spies in his direction soon
 
Good set :) .

J is down to one city which is totally surrounded. He'll give us HBR and construction for peace so that seems like a good deal.

Despite our military successes we're virtually last on power which makes us potentially vulnerable to a number-crunching AI declaration.

I think we'd be better off using GS for an academy because we still need paper, education (maybe steal philosophy) and liberalism which add up to quite a few beakers. Our next GP could be anything.

Only problem with peace is that we'll have a bunch of portugese citizens being miserable and nostalgic.
 
You are right pigswill, I built almost zero military in my turns an lost some.

Was too much concentrated on helping the economy and save unit maintenance. Maybe we can trade machinery or feudalism wih civil service and crank out some real medieval units in our new HE city.
 
updated roster:
quill18 : brought us near to the end of Joao
wenz : war machine :salute:
trynthlas (swap with pigswill) on deck
pigswill - up
AK -
shadzy19 :

vote for using the GS for the academy. Nice call on pink dot city. I'll take HBR and construction for miserable and nostalgic port citizenry.

I will be out of the loop for the next 36 hours, watching some sporting event... Will try to get a peek at the save and comment.
 
Dont have time to look at the save , agree with peace for the 2 techs and finish them off when able and a academy in Washington , when we have the techs make some maces/longbows in boston so we dont get sneak attacked.
 
Got it. I'm up in another SG so maynot play straight away.

Had a look at the save. Agree with HE in Boston. Not sure about NE in Washington. Philadelphia (banana and three deer) looks like a food rich GP farm to me.

If we go for peace for construction then we can start knocking out cats in Boston which not only boost our power rating but stay useful for a long time.
 
Played up to 700ad. We're still alive, so that's a good start....

480ad.
Peace with J for construction, HBR and loose change (lost the screen shot).
GS builds academy inWashington.
Washington continues to build National Epic.
De Gaulle is leading in power and not a friend of ours, peace runs out in 3 turns. Interrupt builds in several cities for some archers.
Open borders with Bella.

500ad.
J demands currency, we refuse.
Liz demands aesthetics, we agree.
Sell aesthetics to Bella for 50G.
Gift aesthetics to Sitting Bull (or for any RQ fans Storm Bull).
Liz builds AP.
Get to choose between Liz and SB. Vote for Liz.

520ad.
De Gaulle offers OB, reflect, he's still officially non-U so decline.
Liz wins AP election.

560ad.
Boston HE>Cat.
Washington NE>Rax.
CS>Paper (7t).
Revolt to Buro.

600ad.
De Gaulle declares on Bill.

620ad.
De Gaulle invites us to join him, we decline.
Washington starts a spy as I suddenly remember we're meant to be stealing philo from Bill.
Pop hits 2 million mark.

640.
Statue of Zeus bidl. Trivial refund.

680. Great Spy in Washington :confused: . Leave him.

700. Paper>educ (no beakers yet).
Trade lit to SB for 40g + map. Interesting:
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I've been moving units to Coimbra to start a little stack there. Boston's been rolling out a few cats to join them.

What to do with a Great Spy? Scotland Yard in Washington? Infiltrate Bill? Inflitrate someone else? Start a golden age?

Do we want to continue with ye olde standarde liberalism slingshotte?
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Do we want to go Buddhist and polarise politics or stay middle of the road?
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How are we doing anyway?
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Is there a save?
 
Nice report :salute:.

Too many questions to consider without looking at the save. ;) Off the top of my pointy little head, I think we need to consider spybomb Bill and steal away. Problem with that is our spies have to run thru 3 AI. If that works, continue with ye olde liberalism slinger.

Comments?
 
Just looked at the save.

On the questions :

1) Switch to buddhism and switch to OR sinze we are building quite some infrastructure , all our friends are Buddhist besides Bella but who needs that maniac anyway , she is bound to get into a religious war soon anyway.
2) Continue the lib race , the war is slowing Willem(Bill?) down a lot so we should have no competition , moreso even if we can steal philo.
3) I would build the scotland Yard in Wash , after that we would get 50 EP/turn , dont have much experience with spy bombing however .

Overal:
-We need more workers , a lot of city's are working unimproved tiles.
-Why are we building workshops ? At this point a farm for whipping is far more productive then a 1-1 tile even with 1-2 after guilds its still pretty crappy .
- Start cracking the :whipped: in Philly when able , that damn Elizabeth got a city up to steal our deer and banana's!
-We can get feudalism from Elizabeth for CS+55g , I suggest we take it .
She also has machinery comin in in 3 turns , perhaps we can get a CoL+paper for Machinery trade in so we can start building some maces, if it doesnt work out of the bat you might want to change your research to Machinery for 1 or 2 turns and try again , 1 or 2 turns is often all the AI needs before it wants to trade , that is offcourse if she wants to trade it .
-We can sell our spare source of spices for 5GPT to Bella or 4GPT to SB
-If Joao gets 100gold or some gpt going demand it!
 
quill18 : brought us near to the end of Joao
wenz : war machine
trynthlas (swap with pigswill) up, on the clock
pigswill - just played
AK - on deck
shadzy19 :
 
I'm wondering if we shouldn't dow J, capture his last city and get rid of the multicoloured culture map. Maybe switch to Buddhism after we've topped J.
 
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