AK-02 american chopper

Some random idiot thoughts:

- I would vote against another war against Jao. He will never be a threat any more, has no ressources we could exploit, it would bring another bunch of -diplo modifiers and suck up hammers, plus it would make us vulnerable if someone else gets silly thoughts.

- Another "No" to converting to buddhism. Imho we are past the point where religion benefits most. Staying neutral gives us the more options for the future. Besides, if we continue to push towards liberalism, free religion isnt that far.
Also, this would have synergies with scotland yard and stealing techs, for which we dont need close friends. :satan:

- We have great land, all grassland and even place for some small cities to settle (1N4W and 1N4E from capital f.e.). Lets make the best out of that woods. Get a few more workers and cottage, workshop or farm our real estate according to city specialisations* :mischief:.

- Next, spectate at how the Willi vs Charlie war goes, and make plans according to that. I see two paths from there: a) Saddle up for domination and swallow one smaller nation after another, maybe start with england or b) Declare on our biggest oponent when the time is right for a full scale total war for world hegemony, and cruise to a peaceful win afterwards.

Cheers
 
Here's my 'got it' - going to wait a bit before I play so can analyze the save and get any more input from the team.
 
Swear I will post some cogent thoughts tonight. Just had lots of RL lately.

AFAIK, these are the major issues on the table:
1. Bullseye on DG
2. Burn to Education on ye olde lib slinger
3. Great Scientist use
4. Buddha.
5. Trades. what to trade to whom etc?
6. Bill v. Charlie, where to put our money?

I'm sure I missed something. speak up. Either I or Tryn will play tomorrow.

Priorities in order of preference, por favor.

OT - tonight's dinner is garlic turkey sausage and eggplant with ziti, tomatoes, parm and mozerrella. And of course some red wine, chianti IIRC. :crazyeye:
 
Technically its a Great Spy not a Great Scientist (not sure what the difference is tho...).
 
Technically its a Great Spy not a Great Scientist
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My bad. Scotland Yard then. :blush:

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Some random idiot thoughts:
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1. Bullseye on DG - need maces and a build up (look at the power graph), unless Bill does really well
2. Burn to Education on ye olde lib slinger - looking good, need to steal or trade philo
3. Great Scientist Spy use - Scotland Yard in Washington
4. Buddha - no, we're doing fine without it.
5. Trades. what to trade to whom etc? Paper and COL to Liz after she finishes machinery in 3?
6. Bill v. Charlie, where to put our money? Undecided. Kind of like Giants v. Patriots.

Overall, the decision looks like food vs. specialists. We need to decide how hard we want to whip. We can lower the food and run more spies and scientists and cut a turn or two off education and try to steal stuff. If we go that route, we're prolly looking at England and reallocating the EPs. We'd need around 16 turns to get enough EPs for a steal from Liz (we have around 200 now and could finese more than 50 per turn).

The other alternative appears to be gearing up for war on De Gaulle using the whip.
 
Took a middle of the road approach...

Early: Built Scotland Yard in Washington. De Gaulle demanded we cancel our deals with Bill. As Bill is a runaway tech monster, I agreed. Izzy regally demanded we convert to hinduism. Woe to her, it did not happen.

Middle: Whipped a market in Evora. AP vote for open borders to all. Nay. Sell COL to Liz in return for 50g and machinery. Prophet popped in Washington and joined the city. Lose 3 spies trying to get to Bill. Our horse pasture is vandalized.

Late: Liz wanted to trade Theo for Paper. It didn't happen. Izzy reappeared with a new demand - paper. That didn't happen either. AP open border vote failed. Sankore finished in Washington.

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Izzy has 250g burning a hole in her bra (I'm guessing that's where she keeps her money). We could sell her Lit. CI should be whipped at the earliest opportunity so Oporto can start building troops.

De Gaulle is still the military score leader. Boston needs to build lots of maces. Education will be done soon. We can drop research for a few turns and upgrade some of the troops. Probably ready for war after the next set.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/11866/AK-02_AD-1000.CivBeyondSwordSave

@tryn - will you be able to play this weekend?
 
I messed up.
Started playing in MLG7 which is without the HOF mod so I reinstalled bhruic's patch but forgot to backup my CvGameCoreDLL.dll file so now I cant open these saves.

If possible can anyone email me this file or provide a link where I can find it cause I would hate having to reinstall all over again.
 
The HOF-Mod is using its own gamecore.dll

First loading the mod and then the save should work imho.
 
I get a error every time about the locked assets.
Tried earlier saves aswell.
 
I reinstalled.

Just looked at the save.

Some notes :
Joao is a vassel off De Gaulle.
We got 2 extra spices that can be traded with Bella and Victoria for 11GPT total another possibility is silver to De Gaulle for 8GPT but I think we better dont do that so they dont come asking to stop trading with him.
Why are we building Chicken Itza(sp) its like the worst wonder in the game!
Agree with selling lit to Bella
Our diplo status is pretty bad , it seems like everyone hates us now!
now that we lost Willem aswell the only one that we can trade with is Elizabeth sinze SB is always so backwards .
I really fear backstabs if we get into a war.

Who are we gonna declare war on btw ?
 
Why are we building Chicken Itza(sp) its like the worst wonder in the game!
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Damn if I know. It was there when I started IIRC and when I went back to it, I don't remember what I was thinking or not thinking...

I think we declare on DG. the english are about our only friends right now. We'll need to be careful about the timing - check the power graph.
 
updated roster:
quill18 : on deck
wenz : war machine
trynthlas - job that pays actual money comes first, skip
pigswill - played
AK -played
shadzy19 : up
 
I think that we're at a stage where we need a strategy, possibly starting with desired victory condition and then working backwards from there. We've got ourselves established but we're still a long way from being dominant.
 
I agree. I was thinking domination. Cultural is out for obvious reasons. So is diplo. Conquest is probably doable, but I'd like more of a tech lead if we go that route. history, nobody does history. I don't see us having the resources for space on this map without lots of war. So,

1. Dom
2. Conquest
3. Space
4. other?

With no facts to back it up, my gut feeling is de gaulle is going to attack us at some point. Other opinions?
 
Definatly dom , we got a load of production city's .
Question about chicken itza , will it give city's we capture that are still in revolt the 25% defense bonus immediatly or when it comes out of revolt?

got it btw , il keep my set mostly to produce more army and we can hopefully declare on DG next set.

Will also try to get some spy's to Willem .
 
Played 6 turns so far and its a disaster need input.

Pre Turn : change some builds to army/spy production and prepare for a whip here and there to counter unhappiness.
Can someone please tell me why we are building all these workshops , whats the point , we need cottages / farms unless im missing something.
Make the spice deals with Lizzy and Bella.
Upgrade 2 swords to CR3 maces.
Still plenty of surplus so will keep continue to upgrade swords.
We really need a lot of spy's we only have 1 , we need to steal from willem so at best we can steal in 10 turns if we dont get caught.
We also need to scout out DG and Joao .

T2: Education comes in start on philo.
trade Silver for corn with SB
T3: Willem has nearly 1k from a great merchant , he still wont talk ...
T4: SB builds Hagia Sophia with a GE he popped a turn earlier
T5: We get a quest , doesnt look like a priority for us.
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The next message we get almost knocks me out of my seat .
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I wanted to save and come ask for advice but it wont let me , cant even check the diplo screen so after thinking hard I defy although im 90% sure it will pass .
T6: Disaster!
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We get massive unhappiness .
We got some great news however , DG+Joao declared on Willem!
DG his border city's are lightly defended and taking out Joao's last city should be np .
I would wait 2 turns so they moved most of their spare army and backstab them hard , offcourse killing off Joao first cause we will get the old WW again .
DG moved 1 stack already and it looks really weak , although I can see some maces running around on the map.
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Edit: We can also whip Chicken Itza for 4 pop , I doubt we can finish it so unless told otherwise il whip it .

Added the save so you guys can take a look .
Will wait for input.
 

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I like Arathorn's suggestion. We can use the cash. I will look at the save and try to be back later tonight.
 
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