Alexander the Great looks to the Americas

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After failing to conquer India, Alexander looks toward the west. So ambitous to conquer more territory, most specifically India and China, he looks toward the atlantic ocean. He assembles the whole of his army and sails to the west. They were fortunate as they were able to survive the long journey. They spot land and head toward it, unknowingly sailing into the Bermuda Triangle. Time and space warps around them and after a thick fog, they spot yet another coast. The whole of his army take camp on the coast. They send out scouts. And after many a days, they return with news and descriptions of a large city. Quickly, Alexander gathers up his forces and march toward there, not knowingly that they were to face the might of the Incan Empire in thier prime.

Alexander the Great the whole of his army vs The Incan Empire

- Diseases stay nuetral ( >.> )
- Alexander the Great's armies are well equipped
- The Incan Empire notice the white intruders from the east and act accordingly.
- I dont care about the technical unlikelihoods, improbabilities, and furthermore impossibilities of such a scenario....
- I'm new =)

What do you think happens?
 
Who would be the current leader of the Incan empire?

Though it doesn't really matter since the Greeks would have won with their superior technology, though maybe in numbers the incans would have an advantage.
 
Contrafactual explorations are typically pointless. If Alexander had the technology to sail to America, then there's no reason he wouldn't have other technological advancements that mucks up the theories.
 
Hitler rises from his grave to lead the Quecha rush!
 
Contrafactual explorations are typically pointless.
If you mean counterfactual, then no, I would disagree with you. Counterfactuals are legitimate thought experiments used by some historians to determine the import of certain events. The excellent economic history book Power and Plenty does a great job of doing that.

But this particular one is a greater exercise in lunacy than the Romans vs. Medievals business, perhaps only trumped by the Aztecs against the Spartans thread. :rolleyes:
 
If you mean counterfactual, then no, I would disagree with you. Counterfactuals are legitimate thought experiments used by some historians to determine the import of certain events. The excellent economic history book Power and Plenty does a great job of doing that.

Simple ones are fine. Something like, "could Napoleonic France have survived if they had won Waterloo?" is reasonable, because it's a short period of time, and it's something that could have actually happened, and the data available allows for at least loose conclusions.

But anything past that is pointless.
 
Simple ones are fine. Something like, "could Napoleonic France have survived if they had won Waterloo?" is reasonable, because it's a short period of time, and it's something that could have actually happened, and the data available allows for at least loose conclusions.

But anything past that is pointless.
I dub your example poor, because Austrian and Russian forces were already on the way. Waterloo was a last gasp, not a renaissance of French arms, and the likelihood of victory, while still there, was poor. Ideally a counterfactual relies on fewer what-ifs than what would be needed to have the Hundred Days last longer. :p And simplicity alone is not necessary for a good counterfactual: for example, right now I'm writing about the possibility of Eumenes of Cardia electing to keep his army dispersed during his Central Iranian campaign against Antigonus Monophthalmus in the run up to the Battle of Gabiene. But we basically agree.
 
This is far stupider than the Aztecs vs Spartans thread, and that was epic.

After failing to conquer India, Alexander looks toward the west. So ambitous to conquer more territory, most specifically India and China, he looks toward the atlantic ocean. He assembles the whole of his army and sails to the west. They were fortunate as they were able to survive the long journey. They spot land and head toward it, unknowingly sailing into the Bermuda Triangle. Time and space warps around them and after a thick fog, they spot yet another coast. The whole of his army take camp on the coast. They send out scouts. And after many a days, they return with news and descriptions of a large city. Quickly, Alexander gathers up his forces and march toward there, not knowingly that they were to face the might of the Incan Empire in thier prime.
Because Alexander is magic? After failing to conquer India, he then attempt to conquer something further away? His army, which refused to march further east, suddenly thinks attempting to cross the Atlantic bloody Ocean is a good idea?

And the Bermuda Triangle makes people disappear, not go to Peru. And no jokes about how they're the same thing. And how exactly did they end up in the Pacific? Did they somehow cross the Panama Canal without knowing it, before it was constructed?

Alexander did not possess the technolgoy to cross the Atlantic in the first place. While there is some evidence of Phhoenician, Carthaginian and even Roman vessels making it to Brazil and Central America, it was almost certainly by accident, and there is no evidence of a two-way trade. Therefore, there is no way for the Greeks to have known there'd be anything on the other side. They knew the world was round, and simple mathematics tell you that they'd starve to death long before making China, if America wasn't there. And they didn't know it was.

And Alexander, known for his brilliance in conqquests, just decides to march his troops towards the first city? No questions of logistics, morale, whether or not his own troops would have hanged him for getting them in this situation? You really need to read a little on warfare. Hell, how'd they not starve to death, even after arriving in the Americas? It's not like they knew what plants were edible. And I'm pretty sure there weren't enough meat animals just wandering about to feed a Greek army.

Alexander the Great the whole of his army vs The Incan Empire
A clear victory to the Incas. Who, you know, had reinforcements at hand, spoke the language, knew the terrain, had cities, were defending themselves from magical invaders, etc.

- Diseases stay nuetral ( >.> )
Not possible. The Incas would likely start dropping like flies from Western diseases before long, as all Native Americans did. But not so quickly they couldn't wipe out the magical Greeks.

Besides, we all know that diseases aren't neutral, they invariably side with Europeans against Americans, Polynesians, Melanesians and Australians, Africans against Europeans, and Asians against Europeans. Now Asians versus Africans, that would be an interesting choice for the diseases. Which side would they take?

- Alexander the Great's armies are well equipped
After a long sea voyage? Without the technology to even cross the sea. No.

- The Incan Empire notice the white intruders from the east and act accordingly.
By wiping them out with a coke and a smile? We're not dealing with the Conquistadores showing up after a civil war here.

And wouldn't they be coming from the West? After all, you transported them to the Pacific. Unless you're saying that they landed in Columbia, then crossed the jungle without dying from disease and hunger and without being slaughtered by the natives. Hey, here's an idea. Maybe Alexander's Greeks were the legendary White Indians of Columbia?!!!! Too bad those dastardly Spaniards wiped them out.

- I dont care about the technical unlikelihoods, improbabilities, and furthermore impossibilities of such a scenario....
Well everyone with sense does. After all, this argument is entirely pointless in every conceivable way. You might as well have an alien spacecraft land in an English village during the Crusades, have the locals mistake the aliens for the French, then take control of the spaceship and build a galactic empire. Oh, wait...

- I'm new =)
Obviously. Try to start threads using a bit more logic next time. This is the most out there thing since Fifty posted a joke thread about Alexander, Hitler, Napoleon and various others coming back to life and leading an army of undead, or some-such.

What do you think happens?
Alexander gets royally raped. He might take the first few cities by surprise, even beat a small army or two. Then die. If his own troops didn't murder him. Which they would.
 
One Spartan with an M16 versus the Alamo. For the sake of example, assume the Spartan has infinite ammo and doesn't have to eat or sleep. Who wins?
 
One Spartan with an M16 versus the Alamo. For the sake of example, assume the Spartan has infinite ammo and doesn't have to eat or sleep. Who wins?
The Alamo, because the Spartan would get lonely without homosexual companionship, and drop his guard.
 
The Incan Empire wasn't around until the 1400s AD, Alexander the Great was around in about 300 BC. Even if he managed to get to Peru he would have to hang around for about 1700 years.
 
The Incan Empire wasn't around until the 1400s AD, Alexander the Great was around in about 300 BC. Even if he managed to get to Peru he would have to hang around for about 1700 years.
Not if he sails through the Bermuda Triangle timewarp. :rolleyes:

:p OP.
 
Not if he sails through the Bermuda Triangle timewarp. :rolleyes:

:p OP.
Maybe that's where the Mayas went. They'll show up in France 1700 years after they vanished.
 
Maybe that's where the Mayas went. They'll show up in France 1700 years after they vanished.
The Mayas are still there. I met a bunch of them at Tulum in December. :p (But yeah, I know what you mean.)
 
The Mayas are still there. I met a bunch of them at Tulum in December. :p (But yeah, I know what you mean.)
You're very fond of the :p smilie today, aren't you?

And they're not Mayas, they're descendants of shipwrecked Romans. (In keeping with the general ridonculii of this thread.)
 
You're very fond of the :p smilie today, aren't you?
Been using it all the time for years. You should see me in AIM.
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And they're not Mayas, they're descendants of shipwrecked Romans. (In keeping with the general ridonculii of this thread.)
Ah, of course. That explains the quality of the alcohol.
 
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The theme for this alt history is simply impossible. Plus the thread is turning into spam.
 
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