Discussion in 'Civ6 - General Discussions' started by nunor, Jul 12, 2016.
You must have her confused with Tamar of Georgia, naturally.
is hojo's picture even of hojo?
Google identifies the picture as Murikami Harutomo, a main character of something called "Samurai Tale", although it could reuse earlier Japan miniature.
Its interesting if someone could dive deeper with the pic. If the board is just something developers use internally and not smart-hidden-easter-egg for civfanatics, it could easily contain wrong pics. Just someone wanted to use cool samurai pic.
How did people come up with Tamyris? Not the most common leader or civilization even! Pretty impressive.
I know Cromwell was Egyptian, but describing Egypt as part of the "Arab" Civ is just like saying Northern Native Americans don't need representation considering America technically covers them.
As for Cromwell, I don't know, genocide is not something to be taken lightly. If one simply dismisses any notion of political correctness and simply went for the most iconic and symbolical leader, then Germany would pretty much be doomed to be permanently represented by Adolf Hitler.
I never understood why so many lunatics (especially on YT comments section) wish Hitler was German leader. He's pretty much the worst German ruler in history (I'm looking purely from pragmatic amoral perspective at this moment).
After falsely attributing economic renewal of Germany to himself (Autobahn also wasn't his project but of earlier government), introducing censorship and deep unrest within the o****ry, causing many of its brightestminds to emigrate, he went to the war doomed to fail from the very beginning in order to achieve ridiculous goal (the entire Lebensraum concept), completely ruined the entire nation and half of continent, caused death of over 6 million of his own people, half of continent to be dominated by his worst foe (what he allegedly wanted to prevent), division and occupation of his country, and stigma his nation is suffering from for quite probably over a century (soon). If not Hitler one can imagine Germany having far higher population and even stronger economy today.
That, as I said, not counting his monstrous crimes. Yet there are still crazy people who think he was great leader because 'he conquered Europe'.
In regards to Cromwell, he never committed what we would call genocide. The attrocities he led were based in religion not race. He was a nasty piece of work of course and end of the day, murder is murder. But every other leader in this game, maybe even Gandhi, has incited violence and death as well. That's just the past and we've Hoyt's live with it. Enough time has passed since Cromwell that his actions themselves no longer have a direct effect on anyone's life, so it's no longer a personal issue. However, from what I understand he has become incredibly politicised and wound up in the troubles in Northern Ireland, so I imagine he would be a deeply unpopular and resented figurehead. Anything that riles up religious tension in Ireland is generally a bad idea to bring up.
You may read this again and recognize why this wasnt a smart thing to say.
Also "Genocide is the intentional action to systematically eliminate an ethnic, national, racial, or religious group."
Hitler is argueably the most famous ruler of Germany. Many other included rulers were not exactly successful either. So I partly understand this, especially when Mao/Stalin are included.
Luckily though he will never be included.
Don't be taken in by propaganda. I originally remember I was watching a TV programme where evidence was given against the deliberate slaughter of the people of Drogheda by Cromwell. This show pointed out gaping holes in the Irish version of event. I found an article here which underlines a few reasons against the popular Irish version of events: http://www.historytoday.com/tom-reilly/cromwell-irish-question. Remember when reading this, Reilly (the author) is an Irishman. He laid out a more detailed a arguement in his book 'Cromwell was framed'. Other Irish academics dismiss this theory as being un-persuasive, but they are more than likely viewing the situation through tinted glasses.
Edit: Addressing Mandead, what reason can you possibly provide for Joanna the mad as the Spanish leader; she was co-monarch during the reigns of her husband and her son, and her father was regent between the reigns of these two, whilst for all of her official reign, she was mentally ill, and never the de-facto ruler- why criticise Victoria and the choose her?
Speaking about religious genocide, we just got Catherine de Medici. So, it's surely not a barrier, especially if it happened long ago.
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Just saying but if you want to start posting civ/leader wishlists you might want to start a new thread for it (as it's not really what this one was intended for). It would be a shame if it got closed now as there's still a possibility there could be a breakthrough with some of the remaining portraits if we get some new information.
Well, I'm convinced that the not yet worked out pictures show concept art, so will not be cracked. I think we've had all our breakthroughs.
I'm just gonna go start a new thread for this, in ideas and suggestions. We've already been warned once to stop making our ideal lists, and I, for one, do not want this thread closed.
Moderator Action: Recent Ideal Civ List posts moved to new thread in Ideas & Suggestions.
Guys, we need to get back on Topic.
I think that we will have Tamar of Georgia, even if as a DLC
If people continue like this the thread will eventually have to be renamed to All Tamar portraits
Atleast I guess you can expect a mod Georgia.
Honestly, with all the fan demand, it'd be a great idea to cash in on that.
As long as it doesn't turn out as the Gandhi-nuke joke.
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