All Nine Revealed?

[in the now]

So I'm wondering on the state of everyone's feelings towards the idea that the Nine Civilizations are all revealed as of this point...

Does ANYONE honestly believe that the two final civs are not Venice (or some incarnation of Italy) and Sioux (or some incarnation of the sioux)?

I don't mean this sarcastically, I'm just curious of what everyoes thoughts are. As for me, I'm not even checking the forums much today because I feel that I'm positive I know that those are in the final two in the game.

 

[Arachnofiend]

Venice is about 99.99% in right now. Sioux aren't quite as much of a shoe-in; the kicker is that tomahawk unit. It must be in there for a reason, right?

 

[in the now]

Dude, I'm thinking even thought it's basically total speculation, and considering the Sioux weren't listed or shown in the Civil War Scenario (which is a waste) I feel like they are still a shoe-in, just because they are an extremely sought after civ and thats kind of what this expansion has been all about.

 

[cybrxkhan]

There is no concrete evidence for the Sioux compared to Venice. All we know - if you believe the alphabet theory - is that we're getting something between Po-Zu. It could be a Native American civ (and it probably will), but it might not even be a Native American civ. Even if it is, there are more than enough possibilities for a native American civ, including the Shawnee, Seminole, Powhatan, and probably others I'm forgetting. Lastly, as Arachnofiend mentioned, there's still that weird tomahawk unit. Sioux are nowhere near "confirmed", much less "revealed".

 

[Arachnofiend]

The main arguments for the Sioux are that 1) The Pueblo were canned, so they likely looked for another NA tribe to replace them, 2) Firaxis seems to be going for a wide geographical spread in this expansion, representing every area of the world except North America with the previously revealed civs (therefore implying that the last one will be North American), and 3) Many of their main slot competitors (Cherokee, Navajo, Comanche, etc.) were taken out of play by the achievement list.

I still wouldn't consider the Sioux a guarantee, especially since there's still a few tribes that could get a tomahawk UU (Powhatan and Seminole come to mind).

 

[JFD]

Kongo was an extremely sought after civ - at least if we are basing this on the data collected on these forums - and that didn't get in, so although I believe the Sioux are highly likely I wouldn't stretch that to near confirmation.

 

[AriochIV]

It's "shoo-in," folks.

 

[Martin23230]

Venice? Yes.
Sioux? No. A Native American Civ (of which the Sioux is but one possibility, and not necessarily the most likely in my opinion)? Yes.

They could still surprise us, but it seems like they've done a much worse job of keeping up the guessing than last time.

 

[Inhalaattori]

Venice - Yes
Sioux - No. I believe (and hope) we will get Shawnee and Tecumseh.

I think they might want to surprise us with the last Civs. Sioux would not be surprise.

 

[Martinus]

The only reason why Venice wouldnt be in is that Firaxis have been deliverately trolling us all these weeks - otherwise, they are confirmed.

As for the remaining civ, North American one is highly likely as all other regiona (Europe, Africa, Asia, Pacific and South America) are represented. Sioux seem most likely as a returning civ.

 

[Martin23230]

Sioux seem most likely as a returning civ.

I don't get this way of thinking. We know their first choice for the NA civ was the Pueblo, so they clearly were thinking 'outside the box' and wanted to do something new. Therefore in my opinion the Sioux are unlikely compared to a new civ, since we know that's what they wanted in the first place.

Therefore I think it's much more likely that it's a new Native American civ, though I've no idea which.

Think of it like this: if we had gotten to this stage in BNW information and they hadn't had the problem with the Pueblo. We would probably be assuming that there was still a NA civ included, based on geography, and people would probably have the Sioux high on their list. Then the Pueblo would be announced and take everyone by surprise.

I think it's clear that Venice and the Pueblo were meant to be the wild card civs in this expansion, hence why they would be revealed last-it's only through this site's detective work and they fact they announced the Pueblo that the surprise has been some what ruined...

 

[Martinus]

Fair point. In any case I'd rather have Pueblo or Olmec (or Vietnam) than a "civilization" that lived in tents and never conquered anything.

 

[in the now]

I don't get this way of thinking. We know their first choice for the NA civ was the Pueblo, so they clearly were thinking 'outside the box' and wanted to do something new.

Right, kind of like Songhai instead of Zulu. But this is the second expansion after years of DLC, and I really think they know what we want.

Therefore in my opinion the Sioux are unlikely compared to a new civ, since we know that's what they wanted in the first place.

But can they really stray away from Sitting Bull? I mean in many respects the Iriqious already are their odd choice, as, and correct me if I'm wrong, but the Sioux are generally the place holder Native American civ in previous vanilla civ games.

Therefore I think it's much more likely that it's a new Native American civ, though I've no idea which.

Think of it like this: if we had gotten to this stage in BNW information and they hadn't had the problem with the Pueblo. We would probably be assuming that there was still a NA civ included, based on geography, and people would probably have the Sioux high on their list. Then the Pueblo would be announced and take everyone by surprise.

I think it's clear that Venice and the Pueblo were meant to be the wild card civs in this expansion, hence why they would be revealed last-it's only through this site's detective work and they fact they announced the Pueblo that the surprise has been some what ruined...

Yeah but I'm thinking the Pueblo weren't considered for any DLC, but for Vanilla. Isn't that what they said in the conference? Plus the bit about Venice and the ninth unveiled civs both must being the dark horses, or suprise civs is conjecture. I'm really thinking there is no way they can line up Shaka and Ashur in a pack and not have Bull next to them.

I will say this, if the sioux aren't include to make way for some other, obviously very important (but also ultimately not as fan servicey) I will be a little dissapointed.

 

[Altisma]

All I can say is you guys are about to all get trolled.

 

[Martin23230]

But can they really stray away from Sitting Bull? I mean in many respects the Iriqious already are their odd choice, as, and correct me if I'm wrong, but the Sioux are generally the place holder Native American civ in previous vanilla civ games.

Therefore I think it's much more likely that it's a new Native American civ, though I've no idea which.

That's not true. Civ I had no Native Americans, Civ II had the Sioux, Civ III had the Iroquois, Civ IV had the general "Native Americans" (Sioux Leader, Cheyenne UU, Mohawk language, Cahokia as their capital).

Yeah but I'm thinking the Pueblo weren't considered for any DLC, but for Vanilla. Isn't that what they said in the conference? Plus the bit about Venice and the ninth unveiled civs both must being the dark horses, or suprise civs is conjecture. I'm really thinking there is no way they can line up Shaka and Ashur in a pack and not have Bull next to them.

I'm pretty sure that the event at PAX said the Pueblo were intended for Brave New World. It's sort of an in joke, since the novel Brave New World featured the Puebloan peoples prominently, but it's also a reasonable choice for a Civ and had some interesting-sounding mechanics.

Conjecture it may be, but you've got to say that the Pueblo would probably not have been expected and would be seen as a dark horse when it was revealed.

I will say this, if the sioux aren't include to make way for some other, obviously very important (but also ultimately not as fan servicey) I will be a little dissapointed.

The thing is, they already have plenty of fan-favorites in BNW: arguably civs like Poland, Indonesia and the Zulus. I don't think there was ever as a demand for the Sioux, especially as there is already one Native American Civ in the game.

I do see your point of view, but since we know the Pueblo were going to be in and are now not, we can assume by choosing them over the Sioux in the first place they didn't just want to go with Sitting Bull again.

All I can say is you guys are about to all get trolled.

Good. Neither Venice or a Native American civ really interest me, so I'll look forward to being proven wrong.

 

[in the now]

Yeah, honestly Venice doesn't excite me too much, but maybe it'll be a really weird play style.

 

[cakes]

i'm sure there's something of a forumwide expectation that there will be another american civilization so it would be strange if the devs decided against it or a similar inclusion

with that being said i would still totally love for viet nam to be represented

 

[Loucypher]

I honestly still hope they'll be like "Surprise, you don't get Venice but Transylvania, and Vlad is the leader."
I will laugh.
But I doubt it.

 

[JohannaK]

I am annoyed at these. There are too many European Civs already. Italy is already well served, why the hell add more?

 

[Louis XXIV]

Does ANYONE honestly believe that the two final civs are not Venice (or some incarnation of Italy) and Sioux (or some incarnation of the sioux)?

I've been leaning towards thinking it's 50/50 between the Sioux and the Shawnee (really 40/40 with a 20% chance of something else). To me, eight Civs are known, but the last is a complete mystery. So the anticipation is for that Civ and I do think that anticipation is still real.

Also, I don't just want to know a name. I want to see the Civ. See their leader. Learn what they do. They could have announced the name of the civs from the beginning and I would still be anticipating learning the info about them.