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[Ordnael]

Can't read anything about ST beyond voyager timeline

 

[Arakhor]

The Section 31 thing probably won't be very good, even by my standards, but it's got Michelle Yeoh in it, presumably camping it up as the pseudo-villain, so it'll probably still be worth watching.

 

[Kyriakos]

While I don't have 3hrs and 47 mins to watch sadly I liked her intro and I suspect she'll roll through all the stuff that drove me nuts about the 'Patrick Stewart Goes to Space' sequel series.

Also I think I never got around to posting my review of the final season 3 here and now it's too late as it's been a year or so and I've forgotten everything lol. So I'll just say that I actually really enjoyed the final 3rd season even if it did have a few the usual NuTrek plot holes and 'let's instantly warp around the quadrant' moments lol. The presentation was excellent, nostalgic and it gave that happy ending I wanted so bad for my heroes of old (and omg I wanna work at Geordie's ship museum haha).

For S3 (and how it relates to S1,2), she shares a three-sentence synopsis of her view, so you can if you wish hear that at 2.51.25.

 

[Patine]

Can't read anything about ST beyond voyager timeline

I, myself, never understood the reason for the Abrams'-instigated Alternate Timeline. It's clumsy, sloppy, wonky, and seems to add nothing to, but only detract from, the franchise as a whole.

 

[Ordnael]

I, myself, never understood the reason for the Abrams'-instigated Alternate Timeline. It's clumsy, sloppy, wonky, and seems to add nothing to, but only detract from, the franchise as a whole.

Just to clarify what I wrote, it's not like I don't believe there is anything else beyond voyager timeline worth watching it's just because I haven't gotten around to go beyond that timeline, so I avoid reading about shows I haven't seen yet.
I find the Kelvin-timeline movies are interesting, there are some really great performances inspired by the original trio, the 2009 movie is the best of that bunch.

 

[Patine]

Just to clarify what I wrote, it's not like I don't believe there is anything else beyond voyager timeline worth watching it's just because I haven't gotten around to go beyond that timeline, so I avoid reading about shows I haven't seen yet.
I find the Kelvin-timeline movies are interesting, there are some really great performances inspired by the original trio, the 2009 movie is the best of that bunch.

I don't know. Quinto seemed like a very questionable actor for Spock, in my opinion, or any Vulcan. He might have made a better Romulan. Pine did have a similar in-your-face, campy, ignore-the-book-when-it-gets-in-the-way vivo to Shatner in the '60's, but Pine seemed more off-putting, and dialed up too much.

 

[Ordnael]

I don't know. Quinto seemed like a very questionable actor for Spock, in my opinion, or any Vulcan. He might have made a better Romulan. Pine did have a similar in-your-face, campy, ignore-the-book-when-it-gets-in-the-way vivo to Shatner in the '60's, but Pine seemed more off-putting, and dialed up too much.

I loved Quinto's rendition of Spock, more visceral yes, more defiant yes...
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...ok it might be a tad more different than actual Spock, but since that Nimoy was in the movies I guess it made even more sense not to have an absolute copy!
Pine might have done a great job at playing a Kirk instead of a Shatner...Let's face it! Star Trek series Kirk is great fun entertainment, but The Cage's Pike behaves more like a serious captain than 60's Jame TShatner Kirk. And it's fine I enjoy Shatner, my favourite ST Movie is The Voyage Home...I like more a side of fun with my ST than over analytical episodes about morals and serious (akin to real life) stuff with a tiny side of sci-fi ST (one of my gripes with DS9)...that being said The Motion Picture is the perfect ST Movie for me, lots of sci-fi, some fun, some grim, some morals!

I saw the Kelvin-timeline movies before I ever got around to properly watch Star Trek from the beginning and the performance that stood out for me back then was Karl's Bones, after watching original the ST his performance is even more fun the second time you watch those movies!

 

[Arakhor]

I'm with you in thinking that my favourite TOS film is The Voyage Home. I prefer First Contact as my overall favourite though.

 

[Ordnael]

First Contact is the best TNG movie no doubt...and it's disappointing that I find the other TNG movies so subpar compared the TOS films (V excepted ofc) or even the Kelvin-timeline ones. Patrick Stewart is no action type actor, specially not at that age, although to be fair those action scenes seem also very poorly written/choreographed. And then they have the new emotion chipped Datawho just feels too goofy for my taste compared to TNG Data to take his role seriously!

 

[warpus]

lol she talks about this for ALMOST FOUR HOURS??

Aren't our collective attention spans at an all time low these days? Can I get this video essay in the form of a 1 paragraph long summary?

Does anyone actually watch videos like that in full? Who is this video for?

 

[Kyriakos]

lol she talks about this for ALMOST FOUR HOURS??

Aren't our collective attention spans at an all time low these days? Can I get this video essay in the form of a 1 paragraph long summary?

Does anyone actually watch videos like that in full? Who is this video for?

1 paragraph sentence summary: The new series was trash.
I watched a bit of it (likely south of an hour, parts here and there), and it has sections so you can easily find whatever you might be interested in. It was on the background, I just like her videos. Note: this in no way is a video about physics, nor are physics really used at all in it (well, extrapolating from the part I watched, and inferring from titles of segments).
One about Feynman's myth is certainly more interesting; for example I wasn't aware that he didn't write any of the books which were marketed as 'autobiographies'.

 

[Blake00]

I'm with you in thinking that my favourite TOS film is The Voyage Home. I prefer First Contact as my overall favourite though.

Same.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

We named our cat after Merlin (the TV version), even though I don't really like the way they re-interpreted the story by making Arthur into an oaf and Merlin into what Arthur should have been. Though I did appreciate the appearance of Glastonbury Tor at the end.

However, Malory's Merlin is an absolutely appalling character who spends most of his time either engineering pointless displays of his cleverness or egging Arthur into committing mass murder. Fortunately he gets written out of the story at a pretty early stage.

I'm failing to see a Star Trek connection.

But here's one: There are some cute Merlin fanfics that are basically Merlin set in the Star Trek universe, with the U.S.S. Camelot, with Captain Arthur Pendragon:

I wish whoever did this bit of fan art had included the knights. I could see Gwaine and Percival as Navigation/Helm, Elyan as Chief Engineer, Leon as the Transporter Chief, and I'm not quite sure where to put Lancelot (shame on the series for only having him in 6 episodes). Or maybe make Leon the Security Chief and Lancelot the Transporter Chief?

And I'd totally let Merlin keep Aithusa on board. If Archer could have a beagle, Merlin can have a white dragon.

Arthur's character growth was basically like the average episode of Voyager in which something momentous happens during the episode: He's reset to default by the beginning of the next episode. He doesn't seem to learn anything from his experiences.

I'm with you in thinking that my favourite TOS film is The Voyage Home. I prefer First Contact as my overall favourite though.

The only part of First Contact I liked was Lily. And I suppose I should concede that First Contact provided a decent hook for one of the best Enterprise episodes (the Mirror Universe one).

 

[Ordnael]

So the last episode of Lower Decks just made everyone in the fandom a solid one.

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I'm still interested in watching Discovery at some point, but I was about to star watching Lower Decks from beginning to end in about a month and now I am not sure I should be doing that before giving Discovery a watch.
Does LowerDecks goes beyond Picard timeline? I was about to watch Picard after Lower Decks.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

Whether or not it's a valid argument, I'm all for anything that can erase that abomination from canon. Actually, I'd be very pleased if both DiscoTrek and Picard were de-canonized.

Not that I really consider them canon in the first place.

 

[warpus]

I'm watching the remastered TOS season 1 on Paramount+, just watched the Gorn episode. So far it's great to see all these original characters and how their personas evolved into what I knew of them from the movies and pop culture.

One thing that really sticks out is how unbelievably bad any sort of physical acting is. Whether it's a fist fight or Kirk jumping from one spot to another, or the crew running.. It's just all so comical. It always takes me out of the story, which for the most part is well written.

Are these simply 1960s standards that all shows of that time period employed? Or is something else going on here? Was the budget for the show so low that these actors couldn't be properly instructed on how to execute these scenes? What's going on here? I'm surprised the writers didn't stick to more heady storylines - a lot of the show is already like that. If none of the actors can really perform these physical scenes well, why were they written in the first place? So far they don't really seem that important to the stories that the show was trying to tell. It's been more philosophical than action oriented, at least from what I remember.

It's jarring to me because virtually everything else about the show has stood up reasonably well. The writing & the regular acting is not amazing but it's good. Some of the storylines are intriguing. Most are average or good. So in that department the show does very well, considering it's from the 1960s.. The sets and special effects are very poor, which I completely expected going into this thing, so no surprise there. The remastered effects are very well done, however. You can also tell that the leading actors and a lot of the baddies must have been established or at least capable actors. They know what they're doing... until it comes to any sort of scene involving human physical exertion, running, fighting.. then all these actors just absolutely suck at it.

Am I misremembering that movies from the 1960s like James Bond had decently passable action scenes? Why couldn't that sort of standard be brought over to a TV show? Were all other TV shows at the same like this?

So why is it that every physical scene is just so bad? Does season 2 improve in this department or will it be more of the same?

 

[Patine]

I'm watching the remastered TOS season 1 on Paramount+, just watched the Gorn episode. So far it's great to see all these original characters and how their personas evolved into what I knew of them from the movies and pop culture.

One thing that really sticks out is how unbelievably bad any sort of physical acting is. Whether it's a fist fight or Kirk jumping from one spot to another, or the crew running.. It's just all so comical. It always takes me out of the story, which for the most part is well written.

Are these simply 1960s standards that all shows of that time period employed? Or is something else going on here? Was the budget for the show so low that these actors couldn't be properly instructed on how to execute these scenes? What's going on here? I'm surprised the writers didn't stick to more heady storylines - a lot of the show is already like that. If none of the actors can really perform these physical scenes well, why were they written in the first place? So far they don't really seem that important to the stories that the show was trying to tell. It's been more philosophical than action oriented, at least from what I remember.

It's jarring to me because virtually everything else about the show has stood up reasonably well. The writing & the regular acting is not amazing but it's good. Some of the storylines are intriguing. Most are average or good. So in that department the show does very well, considering it's from the 1960s.. The sets and special effects are very poor, which I completely expected going into this thing, so no surprise there. The remastered effects are very well done, however. You can also tell that the leading actors and a lot of the baddies must have been established or at least capable actors. They know what they're doing... until it comes to any sort of scene involving human physical exertion, running, fighting.. then all these actors just absolutely suck at it.

Am I misremembering that movies from the 1960s like James Bond had decently passable action scenes? Why couldn't that sort of standard be brought over to a TV show? Were all other TV shows at the same like this?

So why is it that every physical scene is just so bad? Does season 2 improve in this department or will it be more of the same?

James Bond is not a good comparison, because those were full movies. But, if one looks as other TV series in the era at similar budgets - Lost in Space, Early Doctor Who, even though they were sitcoms, Bewitched, I Married Genie, and Young Frankenstein, and others, the, "actor choreography," if you will was usually quite clumsy, even after the final cut (having a weekly bottom line to release was part of the issue, as movies were not in as much of a hurry). One of the reasons Hanna and Barbara praised the cartoon format at the time, and all superhero series of that day were animated - and why Matt Groening, much later, fully embraced the notion.

 

[Ordnael]

Get ready to see Kirk stunt doubles with a blonde wig on longer fight scenes. Still both me and my wife think TOS charm and the trio larger than life personas was enough to keep us interested and eager throughout the 3 seasons and the TAS 2 seasons.

 

[warpus]

Fair enough, if that was the standard at the time I can't really complain too much! It just seems like they got so much stuff right, in many ways ahead of its time.. But in that particular way, nope

 

[Smellincoffee]

Whether or not it's a valid argument, I'm all for anything that can erase that abomination from canon. Actually, I'd be very pleased if both DiscoTrek and Picard were de-canonized.

Not that I really consider them canon in the first place.

So say we all! The entire Abramsverse red matter Romulan thing, too. Idiotic to think that the Romulan Star Empire, with fleets and fleets of ships, suddenly can't manage a planetary evac.