All Things Star Wars

[r16]

racists can have Black troops (abducted to clean the latrines most of the time) but the fact is naturally Abrams was given hints about Lucas' intentions of doing stuff and instead laying some extra layers of excrement on the whole series .

 

[hobbsyoyo]

I also admit that I was extremely bothered both by the tone of many of the scenes (shoulder brushing, alien breastfeeding and hyper-sarcastic Marvel-esque jokes) as well as the canon-breaking scenes (hyperspace kamikaze) that I truly struggled to connect with that movie such that I could consider the deeper themes. I am trying really hard to not come off as 'that' kind of fan - I personally don't care that the entirety of the expanded universe got jettisoned by the new trilogy - but the movie didn't feel like a Star Wars movie to me as much as a Marvel Universe movie that happened to be set in a galaxy far, far away and I found it deeply off-putting.

 

[Thorvald of Lym]

So when I wrote my original write up on IX, I drafted a line like: "The movie so bold it showed even black people could be space nazis" but I think I deleted it. I actually appreciated that they showed people of color being in the Empire First Order, though I do think it undermines the theme of the Empire being irredeemable racists a little bit. Obviously Finn was in the First Order, but it wasn't until IX that they made an effort to show the leadership and the broader rank-and-file having non-white members. Which again, the diversity is awesome, but the Empire was always explicitly made out to be a racist organization. I guess they have shifted to make the Empire species-ist rather than racist, which is probably good, I guess. I'm conflicted

I liken it to the Waffen-SS: on the one hand, there's an ideological quotient for membership (whatever that is); on the other, they're so desperate to shore up numbers they've resorted to mass conscription. What's weird is that we've seen this system break down within the universe's own lore: the Clone Revolt is confirmed in Rebels, and they were literally cultivated as space Janissaries, so a child soldier like Finn defecting is far from implausible. The fact he's the only one, though, is a massive missed opportunity.

And it's weird, because challenging fate has been an undercurrent throughout the series since the OT itself: I think it was a comment on Belated Media's What if the Prequels were Good? series that highlighted the missed theme of Anakin, who was literally born a slave, kept subservient in the Jedi Council, before being rendered a slave to the Sith as Darth Vader, choosing to die at the end as an affirmation that he's a free man.

 

[r16]

because Finn and the thing adult film companies have decided to give up a genre name . So they are going to scandalize us , that weird old kind of fans . Spitting on canon , because they are in a position to decide the canon . And Johnson unable to do half what he wants . You can like canonize whatever happens on screen , in the old way and not the BS way Vlll wants , because it has been done . So the revolutionary stormtroopers happen because Abrams wants them go away . Will fix it man ! Yeah , exactly , with a Stardestroyer fleet , with a gun that brings down the whole if it gets kicked , with a kick from the below . That thing guys have ? lt is what Abrams thinks as Star Wars ... And did he make what he wanted to the nth degree ? Unlike Johnson , Abrams was on the news for exposing Lucasfilm and Lucas rebels cutting his footage and not giving it back , to make it miss the deadline . London and stuff not very keen either and coronavirus and we are yet spared the director's cut !

 

[r16]

he was the only one , then he wasn't . Finn's attraction to the team is that he is Black and that genre adult movie makers are currently abandoning , because it implies Blacks are animals or whatever and their disgracing a white woman is so big stuff that white women adult stars make a lot of money as compensation . Just a "What?" . Don't worry , am on a tablet , ranting is harsh when you lose half your post as the tablet closes down , out of battery power ! Team insults canon , only because they are in a position to define canon . Except their brilliance gets chopped here and there . Rian Johnson took it manly , his BS of tactics can be covered , because it has been already . His Marvelsiness , even the supposed sexual tension between the lightsaber opponents has already been done away with . Forewarned , Abrams brought in the revolutionary horsebandit stormtroopers , with whom Finn refused to play and commanded in a cavalry charge . You know against a Stardestroyer fleet with guns vulnerable as if they are . The word Abrams defines Star Wars is what guys have , luckily he is a fan because he might have been an enemy . And it didn't make any grade , because Abrams was on the news complaining Lucasfilm rebels and George Lucas partizans cut his masterpiece accordingly and refused to give stuff back , before the release date . Coronavirus and London now doubting whether it is worth it and we are yet to see the Director's Cut !

edit : Uh , this is the second attempt of the same idea , if deleted both ı will come up with less offensive ways of saying the notion . That 20 minutes between them two posts was actually a war with the tablet to make it work

 

[Takhisis]

I've read pretty much every EU novel and comic pre-Disney and I don't really recall the Empire re-purposing that much CIS equipment. But now that you mention it I do remember reading about the dwarf spider droids being used. But, I want to say that was in one of the essential guides rather than the novels.

I haven't had access to any in ages so I cannot even check. I do remember spider droids and also AATs being used by Imperial troops for certain.

Says you. The pre-Disney EU will for the most part always be canon to me.

A fellow Schismatic!

As Obi-Wan said, "If droids could think, there'd be none of us here." However, not all droids had low level intelligence - assassin & tactical droids come to mind. But, yeah for the most part it wouldn't make sense, both financially and practically, to program sophisticated AI for the bulk of the army as they were essentially cannon fodder that were meant to overwhelm the Jedi & Republic forces through sheer numbers.

But then the CIS showed that they could make far more effective droids, first with the B-2 Battle Droids and then with the Magna guards and so on.
My theory is still that the most likely explanation is that Sidious was sabotaging them. Given how caricaturesquely incompetent the Trade Federation leadership was it's a distinct possibility.

LMAO
So when I wrote my original write up on IX, I drafted a line like: "The movie so bold it showed even black people could be space nazis" but I think I deleted it. I actually appreciated that they showed people of color being in the Empire First Order, though I do think it undermines the theme of the Empire being irredeemable racists a little bit. Obviously Finn was in the First Order, but it wasn't until IX that they made an effort to show the leadership and the broader rank-and-file having non-white members. Which again, the diversity is awesome, but the Empire was always explicitly made out to be a racist organization. I guess they have shifted to make the Empire species-ist rather than racist, which is probably good, I guess. I'm conflicted

Actually the Empire is supposed to be racist: humans are better than everybody else.

I guess my issue with this is I really have no idea what The Last Jedi was trying to say. Maybe something vague about rich people and war profiteers being bad? I do remember getting those vibes from the movie but it was hard for me to feel like the movie was a statement piece.

The main takeaway of the Rey/Kylo storyline was not hanging onto the past and handing things off to a new generation. Luke was enfeebled because he couldn't stop wallowing in his failure to live up to an imagined past; Kylo was embittered by the same fixation; Rey's arc was about her learning to stop fixating on her past and look to the future; the promise of a reborn Jedi order was based on the suggestion of new force-users who did not have the baggage of the old order and the Skywalker family. This was both a lessened learned by the characters in the film, and a lesson to audiences about how to relate new Star Wars stories to the original trilogy, a statement of intent to distinguish it from the very dynastic storytelling of the old post-trilogy expanded universe. It was, I will grant, confused by the Finn and Po side-plots, which had their own messages which did not clearly gel with the central plot, but it was there.

The main takeaway of Rise of the Skywalkers was some flavourless mush about love conquering hate, and a statement of intent to double-down on the dynastic storytelling.

More specifically it seemed as though the final cut of Ep. IX made it all about the past and made it feel as if it was spitting on Ep. VIII, possibly to appease the haters.

It's fair to say that it was not very clearly expressed. They would be working through a scene showing the error of Luke's retreating into self-pity, and then suddenly shift to an unrelated story about why casinos are bad. I get the impression that both Johnson and Arbams really wished they were making both episode VIII and IX, so both felt the need to cram every idea they had into one film.

It's curious that Johnson's attempt feels dense and convoluted, but Abrams feels hollow and rushed. I would probably say it's because Johnson tries to do this by spinning three-and-a-half stories simultaneously, while Abrams keeps his characters together but has them tumbling frantically from scene to scene. At the risk of sounding like I have an axe to grind, I would prefer Johnson's approach, because it at least it could be mistaken for ambition, but Abrams is just transparently trying to fit run through two films back-to-back.

I am still not sure how much of a say either of the directors really had regarding the final cuts or even the plot of his respective film, but I still agree that there's a notable difference in style and that it was obvious that Ep. IX was trying to acknowledge as little of VIII as possible.

 

[GenMarshall]

Actually the Empire is supposed to be racist: humans are better than everybody else.

Something tells me that the Empire would not take it to kindly having my nation having a mix of humans with night elves (kaldorei) and high elves (quel’dorei).

More specifically it seemed as though the final cut of Ep. IX made it all about the past and made it feel as if it was spitting on Ep. VIII, possibly to appease the haters.

Looking at it without the anti-SJW shades, I felt it it was a hamfisty way to fix the duel between Abrums and Johnson outdoing each other or something.

 

[JohannaK]

I dont understand the first part of your post. What nation? What elves?

 

[Takhisis]

He's talking about Warcraft.

 

[JohannaK]

Ah

 

[Ajidica]

humans are better than everybody else.

But humans are superior!

 

[Laurana Kanan]

STAR WARS: THE BAD BATCH, AN ALL-NEW ANIMATED SERIES, TO DEBUT ON DISNEY+ IN 2021

The series follows the elite and experimental clones of the Bad Batch (first introduced in The Clone Wars) as they find their way in a rapidly changing galaxy in the immediate aftermath of the Clone War. Members of Bad Batch — a unique squad of clones who vary genetically from their brothers in the Clone Army — each possess a singular exceptional skill, which makes them extraordinarily effective soldiers and a formidable crew. In the post-Clone War era, they will take on daring mercenary missions as they struggle to stay afloat and find new purpose.

Really excited for this as the Bad Batch was one of the final concepts co-developed by GL and I thought the first arc of the last season of TCW was great. It seems like they either weren't affected by, or removed their inhibitor chips, and will take on a role similar to the A-Team...maybe??? I'm also assuming we'll get more from Echo and maybe even some other cameos like Rex & Ahsoka.

 

[EgonSpengler]

 

[r16]

this is some Star Wars niche , called War on Kinkade . ı imagine this Kinkade was a painter for masses so it becomes possibly to dream yet another Team Abrams effort . Worthless masses trolled with a Star Destroyer in sight , which everyone knows is not atmosphere capable . Though ı would like to see a larger form of this one , would fit some narrative of mine to come

also apparently there is a George Lucas cut of lX ? Would explain Team Abrams rushing to offer some director's cut like within a week of the theatrical release . Supposedly creating some fan rage against Kennedy who on the surface destroying the franchise with a feminist agenda , but could be far more pertinent if she was seen as a weakling who couldn't hold Lucasfilm rebels in check , you know under some jackboots ... So that they could edit for less harm and keep extras for the benefit of future SW fans ...

 

[Takhisis]

Oh dear, today's Darths and Droids is setting up multiple jokes based on The Princess Bride.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Oh dear, today's Darths and Droids is setting up multiple jokes based on The Princess Bride.

Pics or it didn't happen

 

[Takhisis]

Pics or it didn't happen

Better than pics, I have a link to the actual comic.

 

[Sommerswerd]

I read it, but the Princess Bride references must have slipped by me like so many Dread Pirate Roberts'es

 

[GenMarshall]

Oh dear, today's Darths and Droids is setting up multiple jokes based on The Princess Bride.

The Princess Bride jokes and memes, How I miss them.

 

[GenMarshall]

I don't know if anyone has heard. There's rumors circling about that George Lucas is returning to Lucas Films.