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Alliance with Apoyton

Discussion in 'Civ3 - Multi-site Demo Game: High Council' started by Zarn, Dec 9, 2003.

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Do you agree with this proposal?

  1. Yes

    9 vote(s)
    56.3%
  2. Yes (with modification)

    5 vote(s)
    31.3%
  3. No (this proposal needs to be rewritten)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. No (We don't need an alliance with Apolyton)

    1 vote(s)
    6.3%
  5. Abstain

    1 vote(s)
    6.3%
  1. Zarn

    Zarn Le Républicain Catholique

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    PLEASE READ BEFORE VOTING!

    Author: Bootstoots
    Time: Next engagement with Apolyton in chat or 48 hours, whichever comes later

    Code:
    APOLYTON AND FANATIKOU HEREBY AGREE:
    That we are brothers and full allies in our ventures in this game.  We recognize that 
    in order for this alliance to be fulfilled there must be complete peace between our two
    nations.  We also agree to take steps to defend each other in times of war and to take 
    all other measures necessary to ensure mutual prosperity for our two nations.  In order 
    to ensure our continued prosperity we hereby agree to the following:
    
    1) There shall be no war or conflict between us, and our units shall not attack each 
    other.  Our units may not enter the cultural borders of the other party without that 
    party's express permission.  There shall also be a 1-tile buffer zone around cultural 
    borders, and advance warning shall be given to the other party in the event that this
    buffer zone needs to be breached for any reason.
    
    2) We agree to consider an attack on one of us to be an attack on us both, and shall go
    to all means necessary to defend our partner in this alliance.  All offensive wars and 
    actions shall be jointly planned and executed by both nations.
    
    3) We agree to cooperate and communicate regarding any disputes between our two nations
    that arise at any point.  We shall resolve our differences in chat, if any differences
    arise.
    
    4) We agree to support each other in technology research, and a full tech parity shall 
    be maintained between our nations.  Also, we agree to provide loans and other support 
    to the other party if needed by that party and if possible.
    
    5) We agree not to settle cities on the other party's side of the border.  This border
    shall extend from the Apolytonian city of Equilibrium in the north through the central
    lake to the isthmus in the south, with Fanatikou controlling the current site of the city
    of Balance of Power.
    
    6) This treaty shall last for 50 turns from its ratification by both parties.  It may be
    amended, extended, or renewed before its expiration date with the consent of both parties.
    Do you agree with this proposal?

    Please vote for one of the following:
    Yes
    Yes (with modification)
    No (this proposal needs to be rewritten)
    No (We don't need an alliince with Apolyton)
    Abstain
     
  2. Ankka

    Ankka Chieftain

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    I think that sounds excellent. :)

    Science minister vote: YES
     
  3. Octavian X

    Octavian X is not a pipe.

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    I don't know what kind of dicussion went on with Apolyton, but I would favor changing the final clause to completely remove the expiration date. I see this as a permanent alliance that should last for the entirety of the game. We need not risk attack from what will ineviably be a much larger and more powerful Apolyton by giving them a way out.
     
  4. Zukatah

    Zukatah Deathless One

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    I agree with OctX on this one, this treaty shouldn't expire unless they really insist for having one.
     
  5. croxis

    croxis Chat room op

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    I agree with Octs modification
     
  6. Bootstoots

    Bootstoots Warlord Super Moderator

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    Alright, that sounds like a good idea. Apparently there will be discussion between Poly and us after both sides have a treaty proposal, and we will hammer out a treaty to be presented to both sides for ratification.
     
  7. Ankka

    Ankka Chieftain

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    Hmm... isn't this the work of Goonie, ambassador to Poly? Where is he? He seems to have totally disappeared...
     
  8. Zarn

    Zarn Le Républicain Catholique

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    He stopped posting about a month ago. I don't know why.
     
  9. Cyc

    Cyc Looking for the door...

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    Probably because of me. Sorry about that. I didn't think he'd take it so hard.

    Sorry Goonie. :(
     
  10. Ankka

    Ankka Chieftain

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    But, if he doesn't respond soon, we'll need a new ambassador...
     
  11. Octavian X

    Octavian X is not a pipe.

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    My PM tracker says that he last logged in last Tuesday...
     
  12. Ankka

    Ankka Chieftain

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    We should try to get him back ASAP. Somehow. Dunno how, though...
     
  13. Cheetah

    Cheetah Chieftain

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    I see that most has voted for this treaty. So did I too. But I would like to change my vote to "Yes with modification", as I think Oct has a good point.
     
  14. Ankka

    Ankka Chieftain

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    Yes, I think it is a good idea too, so IMHO you should do it.

    Some people (me) voted for yes before Oct said it...
     
  15. Bootstoots

    Bootstoots Warlord Super Moderator

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    I did as well...when this treaty is proposed, would anybody have any objections to taking out the expiration date clause?
     
  16. Ankka

    Ankka Chieftain

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    Not me.
     

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