Amending Article D: Discussion

[GenMarshall]

Article D of the constitution

Article D.  The Executive branch is responsible for determining 
            and implementing the will of the People. It is headed
            by thePresident who shall be the primary Designated 
            Player. The President shall take direction from a 
            council of 4 leaders and from other elected and appointed 
            officials via the turnchat instruction thread.
              1.  The Minister of Internal Affairs shall be 
                  responsible for all domestic and cultural 
                  initiatives, as prescribed by law.
              2.  The Minister of Foreign Affairs shall be responsible
                  for matters involving treaties with foreign nations, 
                  as prescribed by law.
              3.  The Minister of Defense shall be responsible for all
                  military strategy and troop activities, as 
                  prescribed by law.
              4.  The Minister of Trade and Technology shall be 
                  responsible for all tech acquisition and trade 
                  initiatives, as prescribed by law.

Proposed Changes to Article D

Article D.  The Executive branch is responsible for determining 
            and implementing the will of the People. It is headed
            by thePresident who shall be the primary Designated 
            Player. The President shall take direction from a 
            council of 4 leaders and from other elected and appointed 
            officials via the turnchat instruction thread.
              1.  The Minister of Internal Affairs shall be 
                  responsible for all domestic 
                  initiatives, as prescribed by law.
              2.  The Minister of Foreign Affairs shall be responsible
                  for matters involving treaties with foreign nations, 
                  as prescribed by law.
              3.  The Minister of Defense shall be responsible for all
                  military strategy and troop activities, as 
                  prescribed by law.
              4.  The Minister of Trade shall be 
                  responsible for trade initiatives, as prescribed by law.
              5.  The Minister of Research shall be responsible for all                         Science initiatives, as prescribed by law.
              6.  The Minister of Culture Activites shall be responsible                         for all culture initiatives, as prescribed by law.

This rule is based uppon strider's Idea to split the Ministry of Tech & Trade, and the Ministry of Internal Affairs into The Ministry of Research (Counterpart to the Science Department in the previous DGs), the Minister of Culture (Counterpart to the Culture Department in previous DGs), and the Ministry of Trade. I beleve (and strider also beleves) that this would releave some of the work load in many of the departments.

Edit: Fixed the

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[Civanator]

And I say again, someone forgot to list Research and Culture's repsonsibilities.

But this is a good idea beacuas it opens 4 more positions (two Leader, 2 deputy) for the citizenry to try and run for. This can also open more positions for newibes to come in and run, instead of the other four ministries.

Also look at the discussions from the other thread: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=79928

 

[zorven]

One argument that was considered when we changed it to 4 ministers was that we wanted to have more contested elections. I believe that makes for funner, more interesting elections. By adding more ministers, in combination with more governors beging added during the game, we will see less contested elections unless participation in the game dramatically increases, which I doubt will be the case.

I am against this proposal for that and the lack of evidence that this split is needed.

 

[GenMarshall]

The Responsibilities of the Culture Department goes as follows:

"Culture has always been an important part, but because several leaders failed to do anything in it, it was decided as un-needed and merged with another department. In reality, the culture department is muchly needed. Not only does it monitor other civ's cultural status as prepared to ours, it looks for cities that might be prime for a culture flip, and coordinates it's efforts with govonors to either keep that city from flipping, or encouraging it to flip to us."

The Responsibilities of the Science Department goes as follows:

Science requires monitoring of not only other Civs Scientific status in the world, but predicting what they will go for next, how fast they are capable of researching (based on land, size, etc). A tech at the right time can be the differance between a civ living, or dying. It could be the same for us.
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[Peri]

Yes but these jobs can be done by the existing Executive as was the plan with 4 members.

 

[GenMarshall]

Originally posted by zorven
One argument that was considered when we changed it to 4 ministers was that we wanted to have more contested elections. I believe that makes for funner, more interesting elections. By adding more ministers, in combination with more governors beging added during the game, we will see less contested elections unless participation in the game dramatically increases, which I doubt will be the case.

I am against this proposal for that and the lack of evidence that this split is needed.

The reason we need this split is that we are sitting near a culture giant and we need an office to oversee the culture aspect of our nation.

To quote Strider:

Culture has always been an important part, but because several leaders failed to do anything in it, it was decided as un-needed and merged with another department. In reality, the culture department is muchly needed. Not only does it monitor other civ's cultural status as prepared to ours, it looks for cities that might be prime for a culture flip, and coordinates it's efforts with govonors to either keep that city from flipping, or encouraging it to flip to us.

Currently, culture is being abused, not even mentioned. We are sitting next to the Civ3 culture king, the babylonians, and there is no discussion thread on this possible threat, and how to counter it.

Science is another major aspect in this game we call Civ3. It must constantly monitored, yet trade must also. I assume that when they were merged, we thought that they would be easy to monitor together. This is wrong, they only area where these two departments unite is the trading aspect. Trade requires the constand monitoring of rival civ's economic status, and crippling the economy of civs, or even helping the economy of them.

Science requires monitoring of not only other Civs Scientific status in the world, but predicting what they will go for next, how fast they are capable of researching (based on land, size, etc). A tech at the right time can be the differance between a civ living, or dying. It could be the same for us.

 

[zorven]

We don't need another leader to do this. Just more activity from the current leader and the citizens.

 

[GenMarshall]

Originally posted by Peri
Yes but these jobs can be done by the existing Executive as was the plan with 4 members.

I dont beleve its efficent to have the jobs piled onto other Excecutives. I have hardly seen any discussion plans from the T&T Department regarding research. I have not seen discussion plans regarding Culture from the ministry of the Interior.

 

[zorven]

Your lack of seeing discussion is not a function of the office, but of the office holder. And if a leader is not discussing it, any citizen can initiate the discussion and even compell offical votes.

 

[GenMarshall]

Originally posted by zorven
We don't need another leader to do this. Just more activity from the current leader and the citizens.

I have not seen any activity in the T&T on Research and the Ministry of Department on Culture. I do beleve we need to split the offices to give the T&T and Ministry of Interiror to give them some slack in work load.

 

[Peri]

But if they have not done much work to start with why do we need to give them less to do?

 

[Sarevok]

My idea is that because they have so much to do, they cannot do everything. Thus if departments are split, easing their work-load, they will be able to put more focus into their work.