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They have (perhaps imitating my avator) used the wrong flag for the English.
Well, the map shows the pre-dominant ancestry. It might be that Italians are just a lot wider spread
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I was under the impression that there are a lot of people of Italian ancestry in New York.Here is an interesting map i came across. A few observations:
- Im surprised at the geographical spread of Germany
- Im surprised that Italy doesnt have more than a single tile
- Why is Norway on here?
As for Norway, I guess Norway is on the map because some Norwegians emigrated to those places. They got around over the past millennium and a half (give or take a century).
The Germans the "true farmer pioneers" ?
What I related to that know is that
A. in US statistics definitions Germans includes Austrians etc. In general the German speaking migrants from Europe.
B. the heritage laws for farmers in those "German" areas were such that the second son ended usually empty handed and with the improved food production causing population growth they had no choice but to add to the industrial urbanisation process (national migration) or add to the global migration.
Such a second farmer's son diaspora happened earlier in time from out "Germany" in late medieval era and this caused the migration to the East of "Germans", later in time causing so much issues with that Drittes Reich.
It could very well be that the traditional story of the Pied Piper, the rat-catcher of Hamelin, refers to that situation when the "children", the younger generation moved out of their home areas to the East seeking a future with their own land or in a guild.
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Talking about horror stories and this migration to the East.
I was once travelling from South Germany to my appartment near Cologne but bad weather and the next day a meeting near Bonn (a bit south of Cologne, but lots of commuting traffic), so I asked early evening a colleague living nearby if she would know a decent hotel there (I really dislike the standard big chain hotels).
So she got me a local hotel near Bonn...
It was like an old Roman villa farm, big rectangle with the buildings like a wall around a centre square. Something 300-500 years old ?... could be older as well.
I was the only guest...
A friendly woman welcoming me dressed in traditional costume what I only know from Oktoberfest in Munich.
I arrived at 10 PM or so, straight to dining room, and ordered soup and a Vesper Platte (bread, slices cold meat products, cheese).
That 100 people dining room like an old medieval knights hall with on the walls dozens of heraldic coats of arms.
So while the soup was warmed up I walked to past them to find out (from my I-Phone) that they were from towns now in Poland, Czech Republic, Romania etc.
When the woman in that tradition costume brought the food and a key and left me alone in that big room, I could not resist imagining how this room was in the 19th century or just before WW2 and what kind of people were now in the related association and the regular guests.
I suppose if we want to go further back, the "English" (really this should be British) are really made up of a patchwork of European countries anyway. We are a collection of Gauls, Picts, Huns, Goths, Angles, Saxons etc.....
Also, I am surprised there isnt an American flag on there somewhere (if indeed an American flag is suitable. Not sure the Cherokee or Sioux had flags). To depict a native American ancestry. Or is the map just racist and lumped them in with Mexico?
Also, I am surprised there isnt an American flag on there somewhere (if indeed an American flag is suitable. Not sure the Cherokee or Sioux had flags). To depict a native American ancestry. Or is the map just racist and lumped them in with Mexico?
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Sounds like a place specialising in corporate and wedding parties etc.
They will still take single people, as single people may be scouts for such.
Yes... weddings etc.
And the tradition in Germany is very much to also eat in big groups on long tables with benches with a solid amount of liquid beer. In the Eastern part of NL, Twente, we have also this tradition.
The indoor Biergarten.
Whereby the original Beer Garden was truly for the beer, because you could bring your own food with you. Beer was what you could not store or make yourself.
Many genuine local hotels when room for big rooms are often also used for board or general (incl members) meetings of all kinds of associations like sports etc.
But when there are pictures hanging it is mostly the local carnaval or hunters clubs.
The Irish in the south are probably descended from an early wave of Scots-Irish settlers, essentially the second or third generation of Ulster planters.
They were used to the idea of colonising and having hostile natives or whatever, so crossing the Atlantic and heading inland into the Appalachians didn't bother them. People like Andrew Jackson. They were generally Protestant/Methodist/Presbyterians.
Today's hillbillies.
The Irish in the North East are probably mostly later arrivals - famine and later waves.
Kennedy et al. including a lot of my relatives.
They were used to the idea of colonising and having hostile natives or whatever, so crossing the Atlantic and heading inland into the Appalachians didn't bother them. People like Andrew Jackson. They were generally Protestant/Methodist/Presbyterians.
Today's hillbillies.
The Irish in the North East are probably mostly later arrivals - famine and later waves.
Kennedy et al. including a lot of my relatives.
amadeus
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I can tell you right now a lot of this map isn’t accurate. For one thing, all the black people are missing! Then you’ve got other areas like the U.P. (the good part of Michigan) that’s chock full-o’-Finns, not Germans. Norwegians too across much of the parts where I’m from. It also missed Hawaii, which I think would either be Japanese or Filipino.
As far as Germans go, there were lots of German settlements; one case close to home for me was the H.C. Prange department store—until the 1930s, I think? employees had to be fluent in English and German because there were so many in Wisconsin at the time.
Anyway, I think the census asks about ancestry every time it rolls around and while Germans make up a good chunk of the rust belt and midwest, they aren’t dominant like they are in this map.
As far as Germans go, there were lots of German settlements; one case close to home for me was the H.C. Prange department store—until the 1930s, I think? employees had to be fluent in English and German because there were so many in Wisconsin at the time.
Anyway, I think the census asks about ancestry every time it rolls around and while Germans make up a good chunk of the rust belt and midwest, they aren’t dominant like they are in this map.
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Little Italy is pretty much dead and Italians are close to 1%. It's basically a tourist spot now if that.
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I suspect they like identifying with German ancestry the best.
Eg a grandparent or great grandparent 75%, 87%+ something else but "German".
Edmund Ironside
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The problems with these maps is they often rely on self reporting, and how good people are at self-reporting can depending on their ancestry.
For example the number of Americans descended from English has dropped dramatically compared to other countries. Either there is a mass migration of Anglo-Americans going on, or people of English descent are no longer identifying with their heritage. Being descended from English is perhaps not very trendy these days! Joe Biden is of both English and Irish ancestory, but the way he talks you would think he was of 100% Irish descent.
I think the map below is a bit more accurate and detailed. For example the part of Michigan I am in has a strong Dutch heritage. One of the cities is literally called Holland.
Also important to note German tends to dominate in the really sparsley populated parts of USA which makes it appear more dominant then it actually is. Also there is no state where German descent is actually the majority.
For example the number of Americans descended from English has dropped dramatically compared to other countries. Either there is a mass migration of Anglo-Americans going on, or people of English descent are no longer identifying with their heritage. Being descended from English is perhaps not very trendy these days! Joe Biden is of both English and Irish ancestory, but the way he talks you would think he was of 100% Irish descent.
I think the map below is a bit more accurate and detailed. For example the part of Michigan I am in has a strong Dutch heritage. One of the cities is literally called Holland.
Also important to note German tends to dominate in the really sparsley populated parts of USA which makes it appear more dominant then it actually is. Also there is no state where German descent is actually the majority.
US Americans are terrible at British flags. When I was watching an old WWE show, they were talking about what cities they would be going on tour to. The started with Belfast "Ireland" shown with the Rep of Ireland flag, then Glasgow "Scotland" shown with the Scottish flag, and finished with Newcastle "England" shown with the British flag. So 1/3 correct! Though the Belfast error may have been deliberate as the owner of the WWE Vince McMahon is of Irish descent.
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I just happened to be looking at some similar stuff the other day:
Distribution of mitochondrial haplogroup lineages by self-identified race/ethnicity
Data include only the total classified within each self-identified race/ethnicity.
Abbreviations: Cont. NH (Continuous NHANES; includes 1999–2002 and 2007–2008 data sets), NHIII (NHANES III), NHW (non-Hispanic white), NHB (non-Hispanic black), MA (Mexican American)
Plot of RST values for Y-STR haplotypes vs. FST values for mtDNA SSO-types, for U.S. groups. (AA) African-American; (EA) European-American; (HA) Hispanic.
This is effectively where the male line (X axis) and female line (Y axis) come from. I think it is demonstrating that there is a big difference in the African-American/Hispanic maternal and paternal lines. The paper says "estimates of the European-American genetic contribution to the African-American gene pool were 27.5%–33.6% for the Y-STR haplotypes and 9%–15.4% for the mtDNA types." What the X axis represents I have not figured out.
Within the native american lineages there is a echo of global migrations:
Distribution of mtDNA haplogroup frequencies among Native American populations
Evolutionary migration patterns of human mtDNA haplogroups
Distribution of mitochondrial haplogroup lineages by self-identified race/ethnicity
Data include only the total classified within each self-identified race/ethnicity.
Abbreviations: Cont. NH (Continuous NHANES; includes 1999–2002 and 2007–2008 data sets), NHIII (NHANES III), NHW (non-Hispanic white), NHB (non-Hispanic black), MA (Mexican American)
Plot of RST values for Y-STR haplotypes vs. FST values for mtDNA SSO-types, for U.S. groups. (AA) African-American; (EA) European-American; (HA) Hispanic.
This is effectively where the male line (X axis) and female line (Y axis) come from. I think it is demonstrating that there is a big difference in the African-American/Hispanic maternal and paternal lines. The paper says "estimates of the European-American genetic contribution to the African-American gene pool were 27.5%–33.6% for the Y-STR haplotypes and 9%–15.4% for the mtDNA types." What the X axis represents I have not figured out.
Within the native american lineages there is a echo of global migrations:
Distribution of mtDNA haplogroup frequencies among Native American populations
Evolutionary migration patterns of human mtDNA haplogroups
Map in the OP is a disaster and exactly how NOT to make a map. Dividing the country up into arbitrary squares, using modern national flags for ethnic ancestry, manipulating the census data, erasing all the black people, erasing all the indigenous people...
It's disturbing that it gets shared around so much and gets defended even when all the problems with it are pointed out
Really is correct in that the "Irish" in the south are "Scotch-Irish" who by the way largely self-identify as "American". They would not associate themselves with the tricolour of the Republic of Ireland...
It's disturbing that it gets shared around so much and gets defended even when all the problems with it are pointed out
Really is correct in that the "Irish" in the south are "Scotch-Irish" who by the way largely self-identify as "American". They would not associate themselves with the tricolour of the Republic of Ireland...
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Apparently 800000 Norwegians emigrated during the 1800s. Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Dakota and Iowa the lucky states.
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Well, the map shows the pre-dominant ancestry. It might be that Italians are just a lot wider spread
Could be. According to the internet, people with my surname mostly migrated to Colorado. Which is not exactly the American state one immediately associates with Italians.
