American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009: What Would You Do to the Bill?

Strawman. Nowhere did I support increasing welfare. - Narz

Don't worry dude, I wasn't necessarily arguing with you so much as making a general point.
 
How is 19 billion not a lot of money?

In the context of the package's total cost of $900 billion? There are bigger concerns to worry about than a few billion spent on pet projects.

Don't get me wrong - in general, such waste and mismangement is unacceptable. But you have to pick your battles. Nitpicking like this just makes the Republicans look petty.
 
I would put more money towards the Pell grant to increase it by $1000. I need more gas money government.
 
And there's nothing wrong with much of the stuff the Republicans objected to. Money spent to build or re-fit buildings in the U.S., for example, creates jobs in the U.S. Isn't that kind of the whole point of the bill?

Cleo
 
I tend to think that the reason WWII boosted the U.S. Economy so much wasn't because of all the spending by the U.S. Government so much as the demand for arms payed for by foreign governments. If the U.K. and France were the one's footing the bill for the current bailout instead of having the U.S. borrow the money from China then it would probably work rather well.
 
How is building some government offices/etc. going to help the over 2,000,000 people who've filed unemployment since last year? Can somebody clear this up for me? I have a good knowledge of construction and building the new DHS hdqtrs. might employ 3 or 4 thousand who would otherwise not be working.

~Chris
 
Only free market forces can determine what is useful and what is waste.

What will it take to kill this foolish and discredited dogma:rolleyes:.
 
How is building some government offices/etc. going to help the over 2,000,000 people who've filed unemployment since last year? Can somebody clear this up for me? I have a good knowledge of construction and building the new DHS hdqtrs. might employ 3 or 4 thousand who would otherwise not be working.

~Chris

Seriously? The DHS headquarters is allocated ~$450 million. The stimulus package is ~$900 billion.

What if the US doesnt need physical stuff to be built at the moment? What if its a huge malinvestment? NO ONE KNOWS. Only free market forces can determine what is useful and what is waste.

And what the free market determined what was needed were credit-default swaps and risky mortgage-backed securities.

Cleo
 
Seriously? The DHS headquarters is allocated ~$450 million. The stimulus package is ~$900 billion.

Cleo

I'm not complaining the new DHS headquarters is in the stimulus, I am questioning how all these new "infrastructure improvement projects" will actually save, or even help save this economy.

Fact is, this is a great opportunity to pass popular legislation to fund improvements (some certainly needed and others not) under the false canopy of economic salvation.

~Chris
 
I'm not complaining the new DHS headquarters is in the stimulus, I am questioning how all these new "infrastructure improvement projects" will actually save, or even help save this economy.

Fact is, this is a great opportunity to pass popular legislation to fund improvements (some certainly needed and others not) under the false canopy of economic salvation.

~Chris

It's government direct investment to supplement the private sector when there is surplus capacity that the private sector isn't utilizing, for whatever reason. The economy could be working much better than it is, and the government is the only thing that can kick-start it.

Cleo
 
However, the surplus capacity is far greater than the public sector can employ with current budget constraints and scope of services. Really, the only thing that the government could do at this point to solve this mess in the short term...as has been mentioned...is invade somebody big.

~Chris
 
Really, the only thing that the government could do at this point to solve this mess in the short term...as has been mentioned...is invade somebody big.
Finance doesn't really work that way anymore?
 
However, the surplus capacity is far greater than the public sector can employ with current budget constraints and scope of services. Really, the only thing that the government could do at this point to solve this mess in the short term...as has been mentioned...is invade somebody big.

~Chris

So you understand how it works, you just don't think the stimulus package is big enough? That's a fair criticism. Shouldn't we try to ameliorate the problem, though? Isn't doing something better than doing nothing?

Cleo
 
Well Cleo, it can't be big enough because we can't afford it.

And at the end of the day, this will work itself out with the help of the government of course. But infrastructure improvements won't be cited as the repair tool.
 
The Dems said isolationist policies and stimulus plans are the repair tool, therefore you are wrong and obviously born in a backward place like Alabama.
 
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