But speaking of submarine movies, and Hollywood giving the Brits short-shrift in WWII, I'm surprised nobody's mentioned the film U-571. It portrays an American crew capturing Enigma material from a U-boat, something which (in reality) was done almost entirely by British sailors.
This capture was directly responsible for allowing Bletchley to break the U-Boat Enigma code which had eluded them for the previous nine months, at tremendous cost to Allied shipping.
A few seconds after the material was handed over to Brown, the submarine sank with Fasson and Grazier still on board.
Oh. Here we go again. I've already mentioned this spurious film in post 14. The Enigma machine that you are referring to was the 3rd. one captured by the Allies. The first one was seized by the Polish Resistance on a raid of the Gestapo HQ in Warsaw and smuggled into Britain where its code was broken by the intelligence team at Bletchley Park. There was no need to capture another except for additional verification. The code was already broken long before the 3rd. machine was captured. So no need at all for the Royal Navy in this regard. And absolutely no role for the Americans either. The film is romantic fabrication and an American wet dream IMO.
Oh. Here we go again. I've already mentioned this spurious film in post 14. The Enigma machine that you are referring to was the 3rd. one captured by the Allies. The first one was seized by the Polish Resistance on a raid of the Gestapo HQ in Warsaw and smuggled into Britain where its code was broken by the intelligence team at Bletchley Park. There was no need to capture another except for additional verification. The code was already broken long before the 3rd. machine was captured. So no need at all for the Royal Navy in this regard. And absolutely no role for the Americans either. The film is romantic fabrication and an American wet dream IMO.
IIRC wasn't the story of the RN's capture of the 2nd machine is rather sullied by the murder of the U boats crew to keep the secret? People are generally averse to broadcasting their own warcrimes, esp when they are not well known.
Italy fielded an Army of 4 million in WW2, while Britain fielded an army of 3.5 million. Yet I doubt anyone would say that Italy contributed much to the axis war effort compared to Britain to the Allied war effort.
IIRC wasn't the story of the RN's capture of the 2nd machine is rather sullied by the murder of the U boats crew to keep the secret? People are generally averse to broadcasting their own warcrimes, esp when they are not well known.
IIRC wasn't the story of the RN's capture of the 2nd machine is rather sullied by the murder of the U boats crew to keep the secret? People are generally averse to broadcasting their own warcrimes, esp when they are not well known.
Yes, we all know. French are cowards. Italians are incompetent. Brits are stupid. Good thing the US was there to save everybody else from their incompetence.
Of course, you can't find any real historians who have even suggested anything as you claim, but it must be true because so may laymen keep repeating it at every oportunity they have, such as now.
Yes, we all know. French are cowards. Italians are incompetent. Brits are stupid. Good thing the US was there to save everybody else from their incompetence.
Of course, you can't find any real historians who have even suggested anything as you claim, but it must be true because so may laymen keep repeating it at every oportunity they have, such as now.
Yes, we all know. French are cowards. Italians are incompetent. Brits are stupid. Good thing the US was there to save everybody else from their incompetence.
Of course, you can't find any real historians who have even suggested anything as you claim, but it must be true because so may laymen keep repeating it at every oportunity they have, such as now.
Nevertheless Mussolini's ambitions did pull Germany into theaters it would not otherwise have been involved in:
Greece and Crete (pro-German elements in government - neutral);
Yugoslavia (neutral - then allied to Germany - effectively renounced the alliance 2 days later - then invaded with Italy's actions in Greece on the mind);
Albania (an actual success which paved the way to Greece and Yugoslavia); and
North Africa (which diverted significant Axis military power to a peripheral front.)
I don't care to count the number of Axis troops who were left on occupation duties, anti-partisan duties or in North Africa but a million doesn't seem unreasonable and is probably to low.
Yep. Based on the number of brave Yugoslavian soldiers who gave their lives to free the world from the domination of Hitler. Unlike the country that waited until it was attacked by Japan late in the war first, and then still waited for German to declare war on them instead of the other way around. You should be so proud.
Dude, Germany declared war four days after the US declared war on Japan.
US contributed to the war effort just as much as any other country. If the US didnt join I belive the European theatre would have just ended in a giant stalemate. Doesnt mean the US won the war, just that it helped tip the balance.
Now the defeat of Japan and saving the pacific...well thats an easier answer.
:US contributed to the war effort just as much as any other country. If the US didnt join I belive the European theatre would have just ended in a giant stalemate. Doesnt mean the US won the war, just that it helped tip the balance.
Probably not, but they certainly contributed a lot more than Hollywood gives them credit. What were our losses in the Pacific compared to theirs? How many Japanese soldiers did we kill compared to them?
1) The point is you make it sound like it was years once the US entered the war that they fought Germany.
2) Not really. The US destroyed Germanys industries with it's constant bombing campaign. They lost a lot of produciton and ability to produce. That was a large factor, in conjuction with the actions of the other Allies.
3) The US Navy destroyed the Japanese Navy and with it, their ability to continue on the offensive.
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