im sorry that scandanavia, france, and a host of european nations who ARE NOT POOR, can have their cake and eat it too in regards to work, expectations from life, and happiness.
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Americans are getting lazy...
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im sorry that scandanavia, france, and a host of european nations who ARE NOT POOR, can have their cake and eat it too in regards to work, expectations from life, and happiness.
Pasi Nurminen
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But my point remains: if you were to restrict work weeks in Canada to 35 hours, the economy would suffer and a whole lot of people would be a lot poorer.
The proper expression is eat your cake and have it too. ;_;
But onto the actual gist of the thread. I thought Americans were workaholics. When did this all change? I heard stories of lawyers working like 60+ hour workweeks just to stay afloat in their law firms and skipping vacations and all that.
But still, I want some productivity statistics. Work smarter, not harder (and yes we've all heard that before)
it might be that salaried and contract workers are pushing 60+ hours. and as the number of people that are on a hourly basis increases the laws will come into play and drop that number.
your employer probably won't let you because increasing the work-time by 50% usually doesn't increase the actual work done by 50%...After some time, efficiency slacks off, whether you want it or not.
Personally, I think the whole premise that we have to work more than 48 hours to 'compete' ridiculous. Furthermore, I don't live to work, there's much more to life.
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I didn't say it would be particularly productive time.
Godwynn
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I would too. Show me the money.
Bugfatty300
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Exactly. I don't like coming home at 2 in the morning, going to sleep, and having to go to work again as soon as I wake up.
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Perfection
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Maybe if the forum didn't hiccup people wouldn't double post.Maybe if we didn't spend two seconds a week doubleposting it would be more feasible
dh_epic
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Yeah, that's a good point. People would basically lose 10% what they make now. Although there would be some health and happiness benefit from 5 fewer hours. And companies might have to hire new people to remain as productive, so maybe there would be more people with money, thus stimulating the economy.
I haven't read enough statistics to predict what might happen, and the arguments against a shorter work week usually just point to France -- who have a drastically different economy, so it's hard to figure out.
I haven't read enough statistics to predict what might happen, and the arguments against a shorter work week usually just point to France -- who have a drastically different economy, so it's hard to figure out.
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If the legislation just changed "Full-Time" to 35 h/w, you'd still get the same overtime stuff occuring.
As for all you Productivity folk, does anyone actualy have those, because I would actually wager that many other countries are ahead of you on that count. Most American and Canadian workers hit big slumps after lunch, and get little to nothing to done, due to overwork, overeating, and other assorted stresses.
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I believe the Economist just had an article about this. Norway was definently #1, and IIRC the United States was second.
CaptainF
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Hell, Americans "are" lazy. But then again, so are people.
I'm pretty sure no one here is going to be on their deathbed one day saying to themselves "Gee, I really should have put in a couple more hours at the office each week."
I'm pretty sure no one here is going to be on their deathbed one day saying to themselves "Gee, I really should have put in a couple more hours at the office each week."
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Interesting. I thought the old 'Afterlunch Slump' would hurt those numbers, although now that I think about it, it probably hits the stiff the same, whether he's in Vietnam or Downtown NY.
As for all you people who want to work 60 hrs a week? Get jobs as Surveyors. You could easily work 60-80 hrs if you really wanted to. But I assure you it's not as good as you'd think. But we can always use Oil Fielders if you really want the hours
It's all about productivity, and not the amount of hours you put in. I could spend 24 hours at work, and browse the net.
EDIT: Found this - it does look like we're getting worse, but still are doing pretty good when compared with others (data is 10 years old though).
http://www.acsalaska.net/~benmuse/blog/images/Hours.jpg
EDIT: Found this - it does look like we're getting worse, but still are doing pretty good when compared with others (data is 10 years old though).
http://www.acsalaska.net/~benmuse/blog/images/Hours.jpg
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How the heck did they get that info? What the heck defines a an "Output per hour worked"? And why the hell did they include teens?
dh_epic
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I think they probably divide the GDP or GNP by total man-hours worked.
That's nuts that French workers are more efficient than Americans.
That's nuts that French workers are more efficient than Americans.
