Amy Winehouse found dead

[Ajidica]

What, the singer who showed up rotten drunk or stoned or whatever for a concert here? I'm with the hornet's appreciators society.

Not directed at you specificaly, but would your reaction be any different if you had read that some random 27 year old just died from a drug overdose/whatever killed Winehouse?

 

[Truthy]

In hell

Even though I don't care about her I don't think she would have been sent to Hell (even if it were real)

 

[Labtec600]

Maybe we can take a step back and think it's sad how addiction can bring one down such a path to destroy somebody full of talent? I liked some of her music - back to black is a really good song.

 

[downtown]

Cobain was an untreated manic-depressive, a set with a tremendous suicide rate, so the analogy really doesn't follow.

Yeah, Winehouse had similar problems.

 

[Wolfbeckett]

Winehouse and Cobain are not really that comparable. Cobain turned to drugs after he became famous as a way of escaping a life of fame that wasn't what he thought it was going to be. Winehouse was an addict before she even became famous. There are similarities but let's not go overboard with the comparisons, they are separate individuals.

Never was a fan of her music, and I don't feel a lot of sympathy for her specifically. She was given every chance in the world to get well and simply didn't want to, so I feel like she's basically gotten exactly what she signed on for. I do feel bad for her family though, I know her parents have tried repeatedly to get her help and it must be just awful for them to have this happen despite all of their best efforts. Some people just don't want to get well and she, unfortunately, was one of those.

 

[Disgustipated]

Not quite. Cobain wasn't an accident.

Who is to say she didn't kill herself via overdose?

It's too soon to say.

My bets are on that she knew her career was in the dumps, so she intentionally took a lot of drugs.

 

[Newbunkle]

She was given every chance in the world to get well and simply didn't want to, so I feel like she's basically gotten exactly what she signed on for. ... Some people just don't want to get well and she, unfortunately, was one of those.

You have no way of knowing that. What if the drug use was an escape from deeper problems? Rehab won't solve those, and she may have been unable to cope with them herself.

 

[Wolfbeckett]

You have no way of knowing that. What if the drug use was an escape from deeper problems? Rehab won't solve those, and she may have been unable to cope with them herself.

The fact that you don't know any better than me aside, even if you're right, she didn't seek help for those underlying problems either so my point still stands. She could have afforded the best psychiatric help in the world and she did not seek it. I never mentioned rehab in my previous post, I said "Every chance to get well", and that means both getting off the drugs and dealing with her issues that caused her to turn to drugs in the first place. She did not seek out help for either, nor did she accept help when it was offered. She did not want to get well, and that's the bottom line.

 

[NiRv4n4]

Actually, Cobain was pretty deep in drugs by the late 80s, I read he first did heroin in 86 or something. Well before he became famous. Of course, drug use escalated dramatically after 1991 and Nevermind.

 

[Traitorfish]

You have no way of knowing that. What if the drug use was an escape from deeper problems? Rehab won't solve those, and she may have been unable to cope with them herself.

I think that this is an important point. Emotional problems aren't something that you can just throw money at, and, even if you somehow could, the very nature of them often precludes such a course of action without outside intervention.

 

[Luckymoose]

I personally am glad that such a negative role model is gone from the lives of teenagers. Also her music sucked.

 

[LucyDuke]

Winehouse and Cobain are not really that comparable. Cobain turned to drugs after he became famous as a way of escaping a life of fame that wasn't what he thought it was going to be. Winehouse was an addict before she even became famous. There are similarities but let's not go overboard with the comparisons, they are separate individuals.

Er. I don't think that's a very good description of Cobain. Certainly not the right thing to describe if you want to contrast him with Winehouse.

 

[Cutlass]

I didn't really know her at all. But I'm sorry she died that way.

Seems to me that a lot of people who get attracted to careers in the arts are oddballs in some way. And more than prone to problems like drug use.

 

[LucyDuke]

That, plus all the sex and drugs surrounding the rock and roll.

 

[Cutlass]

Not just surrounding the music scene. Though maybe it's worse there. But surrounding all the young artists, actors, athletes, whatever.

 

[madviking]

Not quite. Cobain wasn't an accident.

Eh. A few things didn't add up. The shotgun he was wielding was too long for his arms, and he was wearing boots. And the amount of drugs in his system was waaay above the normal tolerance.

 

[innonimatu]

Not directed at you specificaly, but would your reaction be any different if you had read that some random 27 year old just died from a drug overdose/whatever killed Winehouse?

To be perfectly hones, I would have no reaction whatsoever. One stranger is just a stranger, I wouldn't comment on it.
This one? Well, I commented on what I knew about her, which had left me with a bad impression.

Not just surrounding the music scene. Though maybe it's worse there. But surrounding all the young artists, actors, athletes, whatever.

The way you put it, surrounding just about anybody with money to indulge in large quantities of drugs?

 

[Cutlass]

The way you put it, surrounding just about anybody with money to indulge in large quantities of drugs?

That's not entirely untrue. But with entertainment stars, the money floods in before maturity sets in. Then they are surrounding with pimps and procurers looking to relieve them of their money by getting them into anything.

It's not a wonder that some of them burn out or die. The wonder is that so few of them do.

 

[innonimatu]

That's not entirely untrue. But with entertainment stars, the money floods in before maturity sets in. Then they are surrounding with pimps and procurers looking to relieve them of their money by getting them into anything.

It's not a wonder that some of them burn out or die. The wonder is that so few of them do.

Yes, that's a very good point. I tend to dismiss this kind of death because, how shall I put it, "she should know better", but I can see how she could be a victim of the circumstances.

 

[LucyDuke]

Not just surrounding the music scene. Though maybe it's worse there. But surrounding all the young artists, actors, athletes, whatever.

Yeah, it's hardly unique. Just obviously prominent in showbusiness.