hehe...well iam not as good as someone like Kossin, but i won my fair share of Deity games. I disagree a bit @TheTeam, i play at my best when iam motivated for doing creative things (not the trait ). And i know i prolly won't finish a game if i go on brainstorming. "Understanding the numbers", ok i know all the basic stuff like "i want 12/24 food stored when that granary is finished to get max growth" and when to use the whip or power settle...i know those things which i consider really important...doesn't mean i couldn't learn stuff still when ppl like Kossin, Grashopa etc. play, no doubt about that. Buuut...most maths you need to do come along as a game goes on. I don't see how you can make a discussion about "is it better to only use the priests, or scientists too?". Civ allows more than 1 way to be succesful, and for me i try to always add a bit of fun to how i play.