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NovaKart

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Very interesting. I guess her goal was met (somewhat), but I very much don't like the precedent of creating stateless people by allowing them to give up citizenship into statelessness.

I thought she wanted to go back to the UK, I mean now that ISIS has lost its caliphate anyway.

I don’t agree with making people stateless either, even if they’re unsympathetic people it’s just tossing them off as someone else’s problem.
 

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Tiptoeing around the statehood question, telling ISIS they have a defector in their ranks would probably result in he problem taking care of itself.

Given her case has been to the UK Supreme Court pretty sure they know by now
 

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She’s been in the media a lot and wears western clothes now.

I'm sure thats a lot of comfort to her.
I'm just disturbed how quickly people who consider themselves liberals are to abandon principles like innocent until proved guilty are.
 

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I’m not sure what you’re trying to say here. I’m talking about her public profile as appearing to not be a follower of radical Islam anymore.
 

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Very interesting. I guess her goal was met (somewhat), but I very much don't like the precedent of creating stateless people by allowing them to give up citizenship into statelessness.

I don’t like the precedent of a country enforcing citizenship contrary to what a person is consenting to. There isn’t a significant difference between a country refusing to waive citizenship that a citizen doesn’t want, and a country bestowing citizenship that a non-citizen doesn’t want.

In the former case, I expect that people with multiple citizenships where one state won’t allow them to drop a citizenship they don’t want are much more common, and should be given priority over people who voluntarily make themselves stateless.
 

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Priority is one thing, but precedent is another. We're always terrible at priority.

A state making a person stateless should be a 'divide by zero' situation. A person making themselves stateless should be very, very hard. Being a teenager triggers the 2nd sentence conditions.

ISIS definitely created a lot of precedents. We saw people from around the world support an organization whose recruiting videos included murdering civilians.

As emzie said, though, it's hard to lift a finger even if I'm clucking my tongue.
 
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She didn’t go through formal procedures did she? I honestly don’t know much about her story I’ve only seen more recent articles about her.
 

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She didn’t go through formal procedures did she? I honestly don’t know much about her story I’ve only seen more recent articles about her.

She ran away from home, took a flight to Turkey then crossed the border into Syria. How she managed that at 15 I'm not sure.
 
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