Antiquity Civs as Regional "Wellfonts"

[Xandinho]

I think they’ll include Ireland this time instead of Scotland. Either way, if Scotland appears, I believe it will be Modern, though it would still be strange to have both Great Britain and Scotland in the Modern Age. But who knows...

 

[Ryansinbela]

I think they’ll include Ireland this time instead of Scotland. Either way, if Scotland appears, I believe it will be Modern, though it would still be strange to have both Great Britain and Scotland in the Modern Age. But who knows...

To be fair Humankind did the same thing

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

To be fair Humankind did the same thing

It was weird there and would be weird in Civ too.

 

[socratic]

I think it's unlikely that we'll get full evolutions for everyone like we did for China and India. We'll probably not see those two touched again until much later, especially when other long-lasting civs (Greece, Egypt, Italy, Ethiopia etc.) don't have their trees fleshed out yet. (Other than the ones mentioned, I expect most other civs to get the Greece > Norman > America treatment) My guesses would be:

Greece > Byzantium > Russia, Ottomans, or (hopefully) Modern Greece
Egypt > Abbasids > Ottomans, Alawiyya
Persia > Abbasids > Qajar
Rome > Venice/Florence/HRE > Italy
Aksum > ??? > Abyssinia/Ethiopian Empire

For Latam, I'd personally love the Taino to be Exploration Age, but with Spain, the Pirate Republic, and the many island civs that are already in Exploration, I'm not confident its happening. Taino are going to be slotted into antiquity for the same reasons the Mississippians were. Gran Colombia has a decent chance of returning in the Modern era as it matches the time period the age is going for. I'm also betting on Portugal being slotted into exploration and Brazil in modern. The Andes are the biggest wildcard imo. We might just see them settle for Gran Colombia for modern and have Nazca/Tiwanaku for ancient (if we get one). I personally want the Quechua to be included in modern.

Nazca > Inca > Gran Colombia/Qeuchua
Taino > Spain/Pirate Republic > Mexico/Cuba/Carribean Civ
Rome > Portugal > Brazil

 

[RedCourtJester]

To be fair Humankind did the same thing

And if Humankind jumped off a cliff, should every game?

I think it's unlikely that we'll get full evolutions for everyone like we did for China and India. We'll probably not see those two touched again until much later, especially when other long-lasting civs (Greece, Egypt, Italy, Ethiopia etc.) don't have their trees fleshed out yet. (Other than the ones mentioned, I expect most other civs to get the Greece > Norman > America treatment) My guesses would be:

Greece > Byzantium > Russia, Ottomans, or (hopefully) Modern Greece
Egypt > Abbasids > Ottomans, Alawiyya
Persia > Abbasids > Qajar
Rome > Venice/Florence/HRE > Italy
Aksum > ??? > Abyssinia/Ethiopian Empire

For Latam, I'd personally love the Taino to be Exploration Age, but with Spain, the Pirate Republic, and the many island civs that are already in Exploration, I'm not confident its happening. Taino are going to be slotted into antiquity for the same reasons the Mississippians were. Gran Colombia has a decent chance of returning in the Modern era as it matches the time period the age is going for. I'm also betting on Portugal being slotted into exploration and Brazil in modern. The Andes are the biggest wildcard imo. We might just see them settle for Gran Colombia for modern and have Nazca/Tiwanaku for ancient (if we get one). I personally want the Quechua to be included in modern.

Nazca > Inca > Gran Colombia/Qeuchua
Taino > Spain/Pirate Republic > Mexico/Cuba/Carribean Civ
Rome > Portugal > Brazil

Yeah I still think the Tiwanaku are just generally a much better antiquity option than the Nazca. I think the only reason they wouldn't get in over the Nazca is if the devs think they can cobble together better uniques for Nazca.

I love the Alawiyya proposition, I could see it happening. I agree with pretty much all of your likely pathways. I could possibly see a Timurids civ to give Persia a separate path from Egypt; plenty of architecture to build from and zamburaks are pretty neat.

I think Taino/Pirates will definitely progress to Cuba (maybe Haiti) by this logic. Mexico is "New Spain," so that is more than likely a Carthage/Goths -> Spain -> Mexico path.

 

[moondog385]

I love the Alawiyya proposition, I could see it happening. I agree with pretty much all of your likely pathways. I could possibly see a Timurids civ to give Persia a separate path from Egypt; plenty of architecture to build from and zamburaks are pretty neat.

Achaemenid -> Timurid -> Mughal could definitely be a viable “historical” path.

 

[RedCourtJester]

Achaemenid -> Timurid -> Mughal could definitely be a viable “historical” path.

Great thing about Timurids is they go both ways. Mughals or Qajar.

Personally I don't need two exploration Mongolian civs. But if they can make it mechanically interesting enough and give us gun-camels, I might come to accept it.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Great thing about Timurids is they go both ways. Mughals or Qajar.

Personally I don't need two exploration Mongolian civs. But if they can make it mechanically interesting enough and give us gun-camels, I might come to accept it.

I have a feeling that Zamburaks will come with Qajar.

 

[RedCourtJester]

I have a feeling that Zamburaks will come with Qajar.

I would love this.

 

[socratic]

I think the choice to include Bulgaria over Poland or Hungary is pointing towards the Gokturks in Antiquity. The Bulghars doubling as both a Turkic and later Slavic group make them a perfect pathway for current/future Central Asian and Eastern Europe civs.

Gokturks > Bulgaria > Ottomans, Russia, Austria-Hungary, Kazak Khanate
Gokturks > Mongols > Mughals, Kazak Khanate

These seem likely imo. Alternatively, Bulgaria could be chosen as a replacement for the Gokturks (or any Turkic equivalent). The ethnic & cultural mystery surrounding the Xionghu make them a good wellfront Antiquity civ, especially with their Han rivals being in the game. (Scythians/Huns would be more likely had we got Poland/Hungary)

 

[ibnu]

I think i have some choice for Southeast Asia pathway,and i look some of them is already appears in game as Independent Power

Kutai > Majapahit > Aceh > Indonesia
Funan > Lanna > Laos
Cham > Dai Viet > Vietnam
Bugkalot > Tondo > Ifugao > Philippines
Dvaravati > Ayutthaya > Siam > Thailand
Pagan > Ava > Burma > Myanmar
Khmer > Lan Xang > Cambodia

This is a very realistic choice if the developer want to make them appears in game,also i hope they are make an option for 4th Age (and this already spoiled from some people in internet) because you know some Civilization is not appears and not relevant in Modern Age system ( 1750 CE to 1960 CE )

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I think the choice to include Bulgaria over Poland or Hungary is pointing towards the Gokturks in Antiquity. The Bulghars doubling as both a Turkic and later Slavic group make them a perfect pathway for current/future Central Asian and Eastern Europe civs.

Gokturks > Bulgaria > Ottomans, Russia, Austria-Hungary, Kazak Khanate
Gokturks > Mongols > Mughals, Kazak Khanate

These seem likely imo. Alternatively, Bulgaria could be chosen as a replacement for the Gokturks (or any Turkic equivalent). The ethnic & cultural mystery surrounding the Xionghu make them a good wellfront Antiquity civ, especially with their Han rivals being in the game. (Scythians/Huns would be more likely had we got Poland/Hungary)

I think Bulgaria was chosen because they wanted something new right now for that region. I fully expect Poland, Hungary, and Byzantines to eventually show up as well. Poland however I can see possibly them putting in Modern.
But for right now it will be Greece>Bulgaria>Russia if you want to play an Eastern European route.

 

[Xandinho]

I think we can be almost absolutely certain about Poland's return, and Hungary is also likely. If Bulgaria’s inclusion does anything, it’s delaying the Byzantines’ inclusion by a few years. They might see both as occupying a very similar space in terms of time, gameplay, and location.

 

[czechball]

i'd rather a separate Balkan thingy with Greece -> Bulgaria (i'd prefer Serbia, but whatever) -> Yugoslavia and a proper Eastern Europe one with Scythia -> Kievan Rus' -> Russia rather than some weird mishmash of the two

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I think we can be almost absolutely certain about Poland's return

Yeah, there's been a lot of hints from the devs about "Polishing" the game lately.