Apocalypse When?

Taliesin said:
To quote Thomas Jefferson, the Book of Revelation is
"merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams."
I must say I agree with him.

I lean towards these sentiments:

"I believe the Bible is the best gift God has ever given to men. All the good from the Savior of the world is communicated to us through this book."
--Abraham Lincoln

"When your country and mine shall get together on the teachings laid down by Christ in the Sermon on the Mount, we shall have solved the problems, not only of our countries but those of the whole world."
Mohandas K. Gandhi comments to the British viceroy of India regarding Jesus' Sermon on the Mount.

Revelation 1:3 does say, "Happy is he who reads aloud and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and who observe the things written in it; for the appointed time is near."

As my college professor always said, "Those who read, have the advantage." That applies to more than just textbooks. It equally applies, if not more so, to the bible, mankind's oldest modern book.
 
PlutonianEmpire said:
And this means what? That the end won't come?
No, that the bible codes are parlor tricks. Mathematical Tom-Foolery as it was.

But keep trying. Maybe you'll discover Leviathan, and we'll all get good and scared.
 
Didn’t you guys hear me the first time round...America wins via conquest in 2050 A.D!

I bet you 100 GPT that God has re-spawn all A.I civs on! :p
 
dariusII said:
I lean towards these sentiments:

"I believe the Bible is the best gift God has ever given to men. All the good from the Savior of the world is communicated to us through this book."
--Abraham Lincoln

"When your country and mine shall get together on the teachings laid down by Christ in the Sermon on the Mount, we shall have solved the problems, not only of our countries but those of the whole world."
Mohandas K. Gandhi comments to the British viceroy of India regarding Jesus' Sermon on the Mount.

Revelation 1:3 does say, "Happy is he who reads aloud and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and who observe the things written in it; for the appointed time is near."

As my college professor always said, "Those who read, have the advantage." That applies to more than just textbooks. It equally applies, if not more so, to the bible, mankind's oldest modern book.


I'm not saying the Bible is useless- it has much to offer us. However, I am saying that the Book of Revelation is the fevered creation of a lunatic, writing at least sixty years after Christ, that has nothing to do with Jesus or his message.
 
It's like I always say. When you just can't keep the damn barbarians in line, write a book of Revelations.

BTW, I think Revelations is thought to have been written several hundred years after christ.
 
thestonesfan said:
It's like I always say. When you just can't keep the damn barbarians in line, write a book of Revelations.

BTW, I think Revelations is thought to have been written several hundred years after christ.

I thought so too. From what I recalled from a religion class I took in high school, Revelation was written in about 180 AD or something, and almost certainly not by the John of the Gospels.
I was about to post this, but I decided I'd better check the figure first. I looked at a couple of .edu sites (the only ones I trust in this case), and they generally agreed on 95 AD. This might just be a very conservative estimate, though, or perhaps I was looking at the wrong sites. :crazyeye:
If you can find a reliable source that puts the Book later than 95 AD, please post it, as this would only strengthen my earlier point.
 
Taliesin said:
I thought so too. From what I recalled from a religion class I took in high school, Revelation was written in about 180 AD or something, and almost certainly not by the John of the Gospels.
I was about to post this, but I decided I'd better check the figure first. I looked at a couple of .edu sites (the only ones I trust in this case), and they generally agreed on 95 AD. This might just be a very conservative estimate, though, or perhaps I was looking at the wrong sites. :crazyeye:
If you can find a reliable source that puts the Book later than 95 AD, please post it, as this would only strengthen my earlier point.

Here are some reliable sources I dug up:

John's Authorship

Most ancient historians agree that the Apostle John was the writer of the Book of Revelation. Papias, who wrote in the first part of the second century AD, is said to have held the book to be of apostolic origin. Says Justin Martyr, of the second century, in his “Dialogue With Trypho, a Jew” (LXXXI): “There was a certain man with us, whose name was John, one of the apostles of Christ, who prophesied, by a revelation that was made to him.” (The Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. I, page 240)
Irenaeus speaks explicitly of the apostle John as the writer, as do Clement of Alexandria and Tertullian, of the late second and early third centuries. Origen, noteworthy Biblical scholar of the third century, said: “I speak of him who leaned back on Jesus’ breast, John, who has left behind one Gospel, . . . and he wrote also the Apocalypse.” (The Ecclesiastical History, Eusebius, VI, xxv, 9, 10)


When John Wrote It

According to the earliest testimony, John wrote the Revelation about 96 AD, approximately 26 years after the destruction of Jerusalem. This would be toward the close of the reign of Emperor Domitian. In verification of this, Irenaeus in his “Against Heresies” (V, xxx) says of the Apocalypse: “For that was seen no very long time since, but almost in our day, towards the end of Domitian’s reign.” (The Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. I, pages 559-60)
Eusebius and Jerome both agree with this testimony. Domitian was the brother of Titus, who led the Roman armies to destroy Jerusalem. He became emperor at the death of Titus, 15 years before the book of Revelation was written. He demanded that he be worshiped as god and assumed the title Dominus et Deus noster (meaning “Our Lord and God”). (The Lives of the Caesars (Domitian, XIII, 2))
Emperor worship did not disturb those who worshiped false gods, but the early Christians, who refused to compromise their faith on this point, could not indulge it in. Thus, toward the close of Domitian’s rule (81-96 AD), severe persecution came upon the Christians. It is thought that John was exiled to the island of Patmos by Domitian. When Domitian was assassinated in 96 AD, he was succeeded by the more tolerant emperor Nerva, who evidently released John. It was during this imprisonment on Patmos that John received the visions he wrote down.
 
dariusII said:
I lean towards these sentiments
Revelation 1:3 does say, "Happy is he who reads aloud and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and who observe the things written in it; for the appointed time is near."

If Revelations is a book of prophecy to be taken literally, then 2000 years is a long time to wait for an "appointed time" that is near. ;)
 
Then I stand corrected. It's still maniacal though, from where I see it.
 
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