Phoenix1595
Lord of the Two Lands
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So, I had a situation and wondered if anyone else has come across it, or knows if the game is programmed this way.
Background: I have had a great game going as Egypt, currently circa mid-Classical, so not too early in the game, but certainly not too far in where diplomatic ties are too complex. I share a continent with Teddy, Gilgamesh, and Barbarossa, and have been friends with all, although recently Teddy stopped with the DoF for unknown reasons. Harald paid a visit on his sailing excursion across the map, and while we have neutral ties, I have no navy to speak of (so I know he isn't my biggest fan). There have been no wars or bad blood between any of us. I had no negative diplo modifiers with either Teddy or Harald.
Anyway, I receive a surprise DoW from Teddy and Harald, the latter I didn't worry about because he has no units anywhere near me, but Teddy, via open borders, had archers across the board ready to pounce on me. I really wasn't feeling it, so I restarted an autosave from ten turns earlier, to see if I could placate both parties prior to the DoW. Despite bending over backwards to get in their good graces, I got the DoW again on the same exact turn as last time.
Well, I wasn't going to let them get all that good diplo love AND still declare war on me, so I again returned to the same autosave, and assuming the DoW would still occur regardless, prepped for it in advance. Sure enough, the DoW happened on the same turn. This time, I saw the war through and actually fought them off handily and continued with my game.
My question really is: given that the war was more or less unprovoked (I had been on good terms, can't think of a hidden agenda I might have ignited, etc.), how come the surprise DoW kept happening on the same exact turn, three times in a row? A lot can happen in ten turns in this game, so theoretically, the war could have occured sooner or even never, especially if events were occuring differently each playthrough. Is the AI pre-programmed to declare war on specific turns well in-advance? I wouldn't normally think so, but this situation has me thinking that this war was completely unavoidable and pre-programmed to occur regardless, even with so many turns available and the fairly benign playing field. Has this happened to anyone else? Am I crazy? I can't think of a single action I did that would have triggered this war... I did things differently each playthrough. Are the developers trying to tell me that life is predetermined, and there is no free will?
Background: I have had a great game going as Egypt, currently circa mid-Classical, so not too early in the game, but certainly not too far in where diplomatic ties are too complex. I share a continent with Teddy, Gilgamesh, and Barbarossa, and have been friends with all, although recently Teddy stopped with the DoF for unknown reasons. Harald paid a visit on his sailing excursion across the map, and while we have neutral ties, I have no navy to speak of (so I know he isn't my biggest fan). There have been no wars or bad blood between any of us. I had no negative diplo modifiers with either Teddy or Harald.
Anyway, I receive a surprise DoW from Teddy and Harald, the latter I didn't worry about because he has no units anywhere near me, but Teddy, via open borders, had archers across the board ready to pounce on me. I really wasn't feeling it, so I restarted an autosave from ten turns earlier, to see if I could placate both parties prior to the DoW. Despite bending over backwards to get in their good graces, I got the DoW again on the same exact turn as last time.
Well, I wasn't going to let them get all that good diplo love AND still declare war on me, so I again returned to the same autosave, and assuming the DoW would still occur regardless, prepped for it in advance. Sure enough, the DoW happened on the same turn. This time, I saw the war through and actually fought them off handily and continued with my game.
My question really is: given that the war was more or less unprovoked (I had been on good terms, can't think of a hidden agenda I might have ignited, etc.), how come the surprise DoW kept happening on the same exact turn, three times in a row? A lot can happen in ten turns in this game, so theoretically, the war could have occured sooner or even never, especially if events were occuring differently each playthrough. Is the AI pre-programmed to declare war on specific turns well in-advance? I wouldn't normally think so, but this situation has me thinking that this war was completely unavoidable and pre-programmed to occur regardless, even with so many turns available and the fairly benign playing field. Has this happened to anyone else? Am I crazy? I can't think of a single action I did that would have triggered this war... I did things differently each playthrough. Are the developers trying to tell me that life is predetermined, and there is no free will?