Yup, I know what you mean. I build important/useful wonders too, like Hoover Dam, Sun Tzu's, TOE, Internet and that's about it. But not all are located in my capital.
Are Governors Useful?
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Yup, I know what you mean. I build important/useful wonders too, like Hoover Dam, Sun Tzu's, TOE, Internet and that's about it. But not all are located in my capital.
Sweetchuck
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Apparantly the Governor of my home state Pennsylvania is pretty useless.
Sweetchuck
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Thanks, Ace.
Some people might not understand my comment, but today - the "non essential" government services basically shut down (ie: civil disorder?) because our budget couldn't be agreed on and executed. Something like 24,000 state employees were furloughed without pay.
Not much shield production here in Pa today.
So, if you go to use the governor option in CivIII and a pic of (slick) Eddie Rendell shows up, stay away.
Elephantium
Malcolm was a very good cat.
If you MM citizens after growth, I don't think 'emphasize food' is ever worth choosing. The new citizen will get born, assigned to a high-food tile, and then get moved before he has a chance to work it.
If I were to change the 'emphasize' option, I'd put 'emphasize commerce' in my specialist farms - that way, I might net the occasional extra gold piece.
If I were to change the 'emphasize' option, I'd put 'emphasize commerce' in my specialist farms - that way, I might net the occasional extra gold piece.
Rising Star
Warlord
Thanks, Ace.
Some people might not understand my comment, but today - the "non essential" government services basically shut down (ie: civil disorder?) because our budget couldn't be agreed on and executed. Something like 24,000 state employees were furloughed without pay.
Not much shield production here in Pa today.
So, if you go to use the governor option in CivIII and a pic of (slick) Eddie Rendell shows up, stay away.
That happened in Australia once, where the Senate wouldn't give the government any money, and kept blocking it's attempts to find money through other means. Off the top of my head I want to say 1967. The Governor-General ended up firing our Prime Minister to solve the problem, which as a politics student, I can say with some authority was an incredibly biased and stupid decision on his part. Whitlam was probably the best PM we've ever had. So if a picture of Philip Kerr shows up, don't just stay away, run in the opposite direction.
UnnamedPlayer
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the 2 shields you can get from a forest with the governor are useful... but only when this works.
i have yet to figure out when the governor chooses the 2 shield forest or the 1 shield bonus grassland
in one city with +3 food/turn, the governor chooses forest
in another city with +3 food/turn, the governor chooses bonus grassland
a bit frustrating if you rely on it, but it's still useful
i have yet to figure out when the governor chooses the 2 shield forest or the 1 shield bonus grassland
in one city with +3 food/turn, the governor chooses forest
in another city with +3 food/turn, the governor chooses bonus grassland
a bit frustrating if you rely on it, but it's still useful
MAS
Deity
the 2 shields you can get from a forest with the governor are useful... but only when this works.
i have yet to figure out when the governor chooses the 2 shield forest or the 1 shield bonus grassland
in one city with +3 food/turn, the governor chooses forest
in another city with +3 food/turn, the governor chooses bonus grassland
a bit frustrating if you rely on it, but it's still useful
choose emphasize production and it will always be the forrest
UnnamedPlayer
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that's the problem
it isn't always a forest when i emphasize production
it isn't always a forest when i emphasize production
But if emphasize production is on, and nothing else, the governor will always choose the highest-shield tile available.
If you have any saves where you've got it set up and that's not happening, I'd kind of like to see one.
If you have any saves where you've got it set up and that's not happening, I'd kind of like to see one.
UnnamedPlayer
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let's say all you have is bonus grassland and forest
your city is size 1
it grows to size 2. the governor will assign it to the bonus grassland
if you have 1 wheat and you're working that with 1 worker, then when it grows to size 2 the governor may or may not assign it to forest.
atleast that's how it works in patched vanilla
your city is size 1
it grows to size 2. the governor will assign it to the bonus grassland
if you have 1 wheat and you're working that with 1 worker, then when it grows to size 2 the governor may or may not assign it to forest.
atleast that's how it works in patched vanilla
Othniel
fighting for Achsah
Sometimes the governor is quirky.
I posted a link in a reply on the first page of this thread. The link is to another thread where we discussed some of the weird tendencies of the governor.
<<Here's>> the link again for your convenience if you want to give it a look see. Look near the bottom of the page...
I posted a link in a reply on the first page of this thread. The link is to another thread where we discussed some of the weird tendencies of the governor.
<<Here's>> the link again for your convenience if you want to give it a look see. Look near the bottom of the page...
Othniel, apparently, I either missed or forgot about your link in the first page. Thanks for re-posting. So there's also a food question related to emphasizing production? That's a new one to me and good to know.
UnnamedPlayer, might that explain what goes on with your governors?
UnnamedPlayer, might that explain what goes on with your governors?
MAS
Deity
could it be that one of the 2 shields from the forest is wasted to corruption anyway? Maybe the gov takes that into account, an since the forest and bonus grass in this case would effectively be the same, he chooses the one that gives the best food benefit of the two.
And if 2 tiles will give equal shield, and equal food benefit it will choose the one that gives the most commerce.
OK, just a guess, can someone confirm?
And if 2 tiles will give equal shield, and equal food benefit it will choose the one that gives the most commerce.
OK, just a guess, can someone confirm?
Othniel
fighting for Achsah
Just on the governor's penchant for food thing, it still seems a little weird to me from a conceptual standpoint.
When the city grows, and that new citizen has the opportunity to be assigned to a new tile, having more food matters absolutely not at all. The city growing means the food box will be empty (or half-filled with a granary) regardless of how much food that new citizen brings in. Kind of a weird thing that Firaxis programmed in there...
Anyhow, you might be right, MAS, with the the guess about corruption altering what tiles is chosen. I can't confirm one way or another though.
I DO think, however, that the governor will choose the tile with the most power (commerce+food+shields) if there is ever a tie. That's what Paul#42 said in his comment on that thread link I posted above, and I'm inclined to believe him...
When the city grows, and that new citizen has the opportunity to be assigned to a new tile, having more food matters absolutely not at all. The city growing means the food box will be empty (or half-filled with a granary) regardless of how much food that new citizen brings in. Kind of a weird thing that Firaxis programmed in there...
Anyhow, you might be right, MAS, with the the guess about corruption altering what tiles is chosen. I can't confirm one way or another though.
I DO think, however, that the governor will choose the tile with the most power (commerce+food+shields) if there is ever a tie. That's what Paul#42 said in his comment on that thread link I posted above, and I'm inclined to believe him...
UnnamedPlayer
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reading everything just makes it more confusing.
there are many many variables we don't know if the governor takes into account. we also don't know how it values each of the 3 resources. it's "power" calculation may be something like (food * 1.5 + shields + commerce * .5) or some other factors. it might be 1:1:1, i don't know.
it seems it will at least try to get 2 food/turn, no matter what. (this may change after size 7 or with granary, i don't know)
very confusing
all i know is that when my settler gets 29 shields instead of 30 it makes me angry
there are many many variables we don't know if the governor takes into account. we also don't know how it values each of the 3 resources. it's "power" calculation may be something like (food * 1.5 + shields + commerce * .5) or some other factors. it might be 1:1:1, i don't know.
it seems it will at least try to get 2 food/turn, no matter what. (this may change after size 7 or with granary, i don't know)
very confusing
all i know is that when my settler gets 29 shields instead of 30 it makes me angry
