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Are people who play civ smart, or am I an elitist?

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by Zaimejs, Feb 27, 2014.

  1. Zaimejs

    Zaimejs Emperor

    Jun 22, 2006
    This is just a thought. But I have a hard time not looking down on people who play mindless games like Candy Crush and such... does that make me a bad person? I just seems like you have to be kind of smart to play Civ V well... I think a lot of the kids I teach would just be bored playing... they just wouldn't get it. Maybe I don't give people enough credit.
  2. forcedalt

    forcedalt Warlord

    Feb 18, 2014
    somewhere , i assure you.
    I don't think it means anyone is smarter. I think of it like a certain personality will be more inclined toward this type of thing.
  3. redwings1340

    redwings1340 Emperor

    Sep 24, 2011
    I'm sure quite a few people here have played both Candy Crush and Civ, but there's probably a certain mindset to like strategy games that is required to really appreciate civ.

    I would hesitate to use the word smarter without any real evidence though.
  4. El Caballerion

    El Caballerion King

    Sep 4, 2010
    New York
    Well... you're asking us, and I certainly ain't no dummy. ;)
  5. MadHaxxor

    MadHaxxor Warlord

    May 25, 2013
    well I guess it would depend. I don't consider anybody who looks up strategies smart, but if you come up with everything on your own, then yes, you are smart. Smart at civ, anyway, not necessarily the important things in life
  6. ScantilyCladLad

    ScantilyCladLad Chieftain

    Sep 19, 2008
    yeah i dont think it requires being smart to be good at civ.

    It requires knowledge, and it requires application of that knowledge, but you can be a good player by following cookie cutter strategies or schemas developed from playing over time

    Really depends on your definition of smart i guess, which wont be solved in this thread
  7. Kallowe

    Kallowe Chieftain

    Nov 15, 2013
    Fort Collins, Colorado
    No, you're correct we CIV players are simply superior in every way to those plebes.
  8. Osama Bin Davis

    Osama Bin Davis Warlord

    Sep 28, 2007
    Canberra, Australia
    I have to say that the average civ player isn't that smart. To be highly skilled at the game is all to do with gaming mechanics not well rounded gameplay with the need to think on your feet.

    Certain type of personalities are attracted to civ. Generally 3 different types (especially on this site) creationists that like big picture thinking so love the grand scale of the game, mechanics that like to break down processes, strategies etc to gain a slight edge and lord type people that like to rule and manage numbers.

    Unfortunately with each iteration it is becoming more and more focused on the mechanic type person and its taking away from the fun of the game.
  9. Primadog

    Primadog Chieftain

    Apr 6, 2013
    No. You're just looking for an in-group on which to call your own. Playing a game, listening to music, wearing a brand should not automatically define who you are nor provide you any sense of superiority.
  10. 4N4C0ND4

    4N4C0ND4 King

    Aug 1, 2013
    Somehow, I sort of agree with OP.

    I personnaly just can't play any phone games. They are usually so shallow compared to most pC games. There is nothing wrong about playing a "casual" game, but it's just not my cup of tea.

    I prefer the burden of having a computer & a bit of time upon upon transportable minigames.

    And to add water to the mill (sorry if this expressions doesn't exist in English :bowdown:), I would assume that if you add a poll on what type of job the average civfnatic player is doing, you will get a hight rate of high paid/high quality jobs compared to any popular phone game.

    I don't know if that answer your question, but I do think their is indeed a correlation with education somehow.

    my 2cc

  11. Asklepios

    Asklepios Warlord

    Jan 28, 2014
    I suspect people who are good at civ are people who enjoy civ.

    And I suspect people who enjoy civ are more likely the same sorts of people who enjoy board games, analysing strategy and like history. Probably only a small proportion of the fanbase fit all three of these, but I think its likely to be a higher percentage than in the general population.

    Also, it being a computer game, the average fan is more likely to be a male between the age of 15 and 40. Again, a population trend rather than a description of all computer gamers.

    As for "smart", I think thats a hard thing to assess, as its such a nebulous term. Are we talking liquid or crystallised intelligence? Education or wisdom? Scientific literacy or emotional self awareness?

    Also, of course, a survey civfanatics is not going to answer the broader question, as there's a heavy selection bias in the population here.
  12. Primadog

    Primadog Chieftain

    Apr 6, 2013
    (I find my earlier comment rather harsh and brash, so allow me try again.)

    Search as you will, every statistics or metric of the Civ playing base, you'll not find a single one where majority of the players play at the highest level. Civ is a difficult game, and vast majority of us play at a level far below Diety. That's just the nature of Civ - it's a very hard franchise.

    I'm not trying to say that your playing level somehow equates to intelligence, but the opposite. Yet suppose the null hypothesis from the topic is true, then what does that fact, that there're very few "tommynt" level savant players among us say about rest of us?

    It may very well be that the top level, most competitive players among us exude certain brilliance that we call "smartness," would they shone with other games? I would say so. In the past I was quite active in the StarCraft scene, and tommynt reminds me of those sort of natural talents that elsewhere can earn a living playing video games. His talents could easily shone in StarCraft or chess or scrabble instead. He just so happen to be playing Civ, and sometimes hand down a bit of tips and tricks to us mere mortals.

    So what does that leave the rest of us, if we do not (1) play competitively nor (2) exhibit any natural abilities? Are we playing civ smartly? Are there any evidence of our "smartness" for wasting time in this game versus that?

    I find it hard to believe that's the case, that somehow by picking up Civ5 instead of Black Ops 2 at Game Stop I suddenly elevates my station. Surely, I won't be putting "Play BnW on Immortal" on my college app.

    It's silly, to think playing a game somehow make you or I or anyone inherently better. People play game to lull away time. We play Civ5 because we find it fun. That's all there's to it.
  13. Doktor Vic Tim

    Doktor Vic Tim King

    Aug 20, 2013
    I enjoy civ but I'm not good at it :(

    And if you want to witness some elitist people in terms of games, just take a look at the fighting game community. Whew!

    Though as previously said, asking such a question in a civilization related forum is going to give you expected answers. At least from what I know, civ doesn't try to copyright basic words like candy and saga.
  14. Ninakoru

    Ninakoru A deity on Emperor

    Nov 14, 2002
    Madrid, Spain, Europe

    It's more about some people like us prefer to "think" on their free times, others like to disconnect their brain and play easy mindless games, but i think it has nothing to do with being smart.
  15. hnut

    hnut Chieftain

    Oct 17, 2013
  16. Memoryjar

    Memoryjar Emperor

    Oct 30, 2013
    Lille, France
    I partially agree. I grow with civ I and Tetris. And I think, Civ is more complete than Tetris/Candy Crush (and in a way Starcraft).

    Civ series needs time and focus. Many parameters to control to resolve this complex puzzle. In Tetris-like, when I realize it's just a question of time and accuracy, I feel bored with them.

    By the way, to OP, I use to think people who play video-games (GTA, Quake-like, RTS, Daggerfall-like, Minecraft...) are smart.
  17. Camikaze

    Camikaze Administrator Administrator

    Dec 27, 2008
    I think there's likely a very poor correlation between game difficulty/complexity and player intelligence. A professor might want to play Candy Crush because they'd like some mind-numbing down time, and an average teenager might play Civ because they have no other outlets through which they are mentally stimulated. Sid Meier in his 2010 GDC keynote address labelled civ-players 'egomaniacs', and I think that's more likely accurate than any reflections on the academic superiority of civ-players as a whole. Of course, egomaniacs are by no means necessarily unintelligent, but there's probably a general tendency to overestimate one's own faculties, at the expense of those whose preferences are different.
  18. LoneRebel

    LoneRebel Emperor

    Apr 16, 2013
    Distinguished and Ever Loyal City
    Oh, really? I wouldn't be so sure. :mischief:
  19. Brettapod

    Brettapod Chieftain

    Sep 7, 2013
    Being good at civ is like having a lot of intelligence on one topic. I could be a deity player, but be terrible at math, science, and English.
  20. Paszczak

    Paszczak Warlord

    Dec 23, 2013

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