Ashoka (Dhammaraja), World Renouncer / World Conqueror - Leader Discussion

[Jkchart]

So glad we’ve got Ashoka in - absolutely going to give him a go! Hopefully we’ve ditched you-know-who…

 

[Jkchart]

Safavids are on the line, but as one of the major gunpowder empires they'd fit nicely in the Modern roster alongside Mughals and presumably Ottomans. I could see Medieval "Persia" at this point being Seljuqs since I've been disappointed in my Sassanid prediction.

Yeah I think the Safavids may make it as “modern” Iran since an “Iran” would unfortunately be supremely controversial despite it being the endonym for their lands

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

So glad we’ve got Ashoka in - absolutely going to give him a go! Hopefully we’ve ditched you-know-who…

Voldemort?

 

[Jkchart]

Voldemort?

Close!

(Can’t wait for God Emperor Gandhi’s seven personas)

 

[Kyriakos]

The gfx are really nice.
But it does make me fear that this will lag terribly or even not run at all for computers that don't have excellent gfx cards.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Close!

(Can’t wait for God Emperor Gandhi’s seven personas)

Is each one kept in a Horacrux?

 

[moysturfurmer]

Safavids are on the line, but as one of the major gunpowder empires they'd fit nicely in the Modern roster alongside Mughals and presumably Ottomans. I could see Medieval "Persia" at this point being Seljuqs since I've been disappointed in my Sassanid prediction.

Someone on reddit pointed out that the Persian commander looking unit in the Ashoka vid looks different from the Sassanid looking commnder unit from the Pax Aus preso. The dream isn't dead!

 

[Zaarin]

Someone on reddit pointed out that the Persian commander looking unit in the Ashoka vid looks different from the Sassanid looking commnder unit from the Pax Aus preso. The dream isn't dead!

You're right; it does!

 

[Lord Lakely]

Not a fan of persona's but I would assume that Ashoka is a leader that warrants one. No complaints from me - solid leader sprite, good abilities, even the "aggressive persona" is useful in peaceful play because of the production boost.

Will defo try him when I buy the game (in like... May 2025 or so)

 

[moysturfurmer]

Personas stung a little less for me when someone pointed out that they weren't a "1 persona takes the place of 1 leader" but rather "1 persona is a quick and dirty way of making extra gameplay content." Would I prefer 4 extra leaders instead of 4 extra personas? Absolutely. But being realistic about the budget, it's not a 1 to 1 conversion. Between new rigs and animations and voicelines and narrative events(?), it's a considerably bigger endeavor

 

[Siptah]

You're right; it does!

It could be that the one from Ashoka's video is the unique Persian commander, while the one from the PAX video is the generic middle eastern commander (also modeled in Persian style).

 

[queenpea]

The Shawnee are a preorder bonus so it makes sense to show people what they're preordering; the Founder's and Deluxe packs will also be available at launch. It makes sense to me to show personae alongside their base version where relevant. (Also worth noting that so far everything we've seen except the Shawnee are related to base game content; I wouldn't expect actual DLC civs/leaders to be shown until later.)

I guess that’s fair enough, though I’d prefer to focus on what’s in the game before being upsold.

 

[stealth_nsk]

The Shawnee are a preorder bonus so it makes sense to show people what they're preordering; the Founder's and Deluxe packs will also be available at launch. It makes sense to me to show personae alongside their base version where relevant. (Also worth noting that so far everything we've seen except the Shawnee are related to base game content; I wouldn't expect actual DLC civs/leaders to be shown until later.)

Yep. I assume day one content needs to be marketed as soon as possible, but everything released later will be marketed after the release

 

[Zaarin]

It could be that the one from Ashoka's video is the unique Persian commander, while the one from the PAX video is the generic middle eastern commander (also modeled in Persian style).

I'd be disappointed if Babylon, Assyria, Phoenicia, etc. had Persian-style commanders...while Persia doesn't.

 

[Kimiimaro]

Safavids are on the line, but as one of the major gunpowder empires they'd fit nicely in the Modern roster alongside Mughals and presumably Ottomans.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm certainly not opposed to modern era Safavid Persia per se - and the three gunpowder empires clashing against each other would certainly be a nice fit. It's just my personal adoration of Qajar architecture and general interest in the 19th Century that makes me wish for them to be the modern Iranian variant

I could see Medieval "Persia" at this point being Seljuqs since I've been disappointed in my Sassanid prediction.

I could also picture the Timurids in this role. They have the advantage of being able to organically evolve into two civilisations - the Mughals, which they historically became, and modern Persians, which they ruled and whose culture they adopted and which they later brought to India when they conquered it - without it feeling a tad forced like Songhai turning into Buganda.

 

[Siptah]

I'd be disappointed if Babylon, Assyria, Phoenicia, etc. had Persian-style commanders...while Persia doesn't.

Sure. I just wanted to remark that two Persian-looking commanders does not necessarily equal two Persian civs.

 

[Hellenism Salesman]

Since we’ve mentioned Persia/Iran, I want to briefly share my dream progression for them:

Antiquity Achaemenids -> Exploration Sassanids -> Modern Safavids

Really each of these could get their own leader, but if I had to narrow it to 2 it would be Zoroaster/Zarathustra and Nader Shah (with jazayerchi UU?). Ismail and an Achaemenid ruler (there are many great options!) would be good as well.

But back to Ashoka- these personas seem like a big step up from the Civ VI ones in many ways. I don’t think anyone’s pointed it out yet, but Ashoka’s Personas actually have mechanical symmetry, which I love! Teddy and Catherine’s Personas in Civ VI played completely differently from one another. Here, both of Ashoka’s Personas are geared towards Happiness and Celebrations. It actually feels like you’re pointing your playstyle in a different direction as opposed to “here’s a new leader in all but name.” Great change. Here’s hoping Napoleon has the same treatment!

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Sure. I just wanted to remark that two Persian-looking commanders does not necessarily equal two Persian civs.

We know that units are built out of assorted cosmetic bits that make each model look different from the next. Is it possible that these two commanders are different due to the cosmetic bits?

 

[Zaarin]

I could also picture the Timurids in this role. They have the advantage of being able to organically evolve into two civilisations - the Mughals, which they historically became, and modern Persians, which they ruled and whose culture they adopted and which they later brought to India when they conquered it - without it feeling a tad forced like Songhai turning into Buganda.

Sure. I just wanted to remark that two Persian-looking commanders does not necessarily equal two Persian civs.

Yeah, I don't expect it in the base game at the very least.

Antiquity Achaemenids -> Exploration Sassanids -> Modern Safavids

This was my expectation and hope until Antiquity Persia seemed to have Sassanid elements, not that that strictly precludes Sassanid Persia.

Teddy and Catherine’s Personas in Civ VI played completely differently from one another.

Bull Moose Teddy was very fun, though.

 

[Siptah]

We know that units are built out of assorted cosmetic bits that make each model look different from the next. Is it possible that these two commanders are different due to the cosmetic bits?

They look very different.

Edit: and I think the one on the left looks "later," but the hats look Achaemenid as well.
Edit 2: I wonder why one of them has 4 accompanying units, the other has 2 and the Indian one in the Ashoka FL has 0. Do they come with upgrades?