Stapel
FIAT 850 coupé
Well,
Education, in Belgium, is NOT a federal government issue. Apart from that, I
don't think government can practically force citizens to learn a 'foreign' language.
Ask a Belgian (non)-separatist
- Thread starter Fuzzz
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Well,
Education, in Belgium, is NOT a federal government issue. Apart from that, I
don't think government can practically force citizens to learn a 'foreign' language.
philippe
FYI, I chase trains.
yup. Well, tomorrow is the big day. I'll write an report on depending what happens on the crisis.
(oh actually this is the culmination of an conflict of 40 years, for more info, read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Belgian_government_formation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brussels-Halle-Vilvoorde )
Cato the Elder
King
To be frank I think we should expand BHV and allow all Flemings to vote for Walloon politicans and vice versa.
For the rest, BHV is such a useless topic. Flemish politicans simply want more power, that's all. And then push it forward as some kind of "important issue". Disgusting if you ask me.
For the rest, BHV is such a useless topic. Flemish politicans simply want more power, that's all. And then push it forward as some kind of "important issue". Disgusting if you ask me.
philippe
FYI, I chase trains.
Well, what the Wallonian politicians allow is plain unconstitutional. And frankly, i lost a lot of sympathy for the wallonian government and especially the P.S. for still allowing such an obnoxious ingrate as Happart to rule anything
and the wallonians went BAAAAAWW over the N-VA, but the FDF is cut out of the same wood. sheer hypocrisy if you ask me.
Cato the Elder
King
Not too many people seem hurt by it. I live just outside the BHV region and know more than enough people from there and to be frank the grand majority really doesn't care whether or not they can also vote for a Walloon politican. It may be against some small rule hidden here and there but I'm sure that the whole entire "more-rights-for-Flanders" bit probably has something unconstitutional in there as well.
The PS needs to be reformed yeah and the FDF are idiots. I'm not going to deny any of that. The Walloons are far from perfect but in this little situation they're the lesser of two evils. Why? Because they're on the defensive side and we're on the attacking side. Nothing more, nothing less.
The above paragraph also shows probably the saddest thing about Belgium. Infighting between people who are, essentially, the same.
The PS needs to be reformed yeah and the FDF are idiots. I'm not going to deny any of that. The Walloons are far from perfect but in this little situation they're the lesser of two evils. Why? Because they're on the defensive side and we're on the attacking side. Nothing more, nothing less.
The above paragraph also shows probably the saddest thing about Belgium. Infighting between people who are, essentially, the same.
philippe
FYI, I chase trains.
They are not on the defensive side, Cato, they want to expand Brussels, remember? Well, a lot of problems can be solved by doing a federal election.
I had warned poeple about before the election yvez Leterme wouldn't succeed, they nod and laughed with me, and too bad, I was right.
But i'm still in for a decent democratic representation, this also means that the 60-40 majority is going to be respected now. No more corrupt tit-for-tat projects (have you ever seen some of those failed projects? I did.) and more reforms to make this country efficiënt for once (and not another ******ed Pheonix project which went up in flames. (couldn't leave the pun there)
)
Cato the Elder
King
Well yeah but that's really the only major thing they want changed in the whole entire "communautaire discussie". Or that I've heard of at least.
Yves Leterme is a dick. To be frank either De Gucht or Reynders would've been not only a much more competent, but also much more likeable, prime minister.
Haven't heard of any of the projects you're talking about, but even though we do have a majority in population I don't think that should give us the right to blindly override any Walloon wishes.
But considering we're on the topic anyway, you seem to be in favour of federalising our nation more, but what do you think about the demands to expand Brussels then? And if you're against it, why should they listen to our demands if we don't listen to theirs?
Yves Leterme is a dick. To be frank either De Gucht or Reynders would've been not only a much more competent, but also much more likeable, prime minister.
Haven't heard of any of the projects you're talking about, but even though we do have a majority in population I don't think that should give us the right to blindly override any Walloon wishes.
But considering we're on the topic anyway, you seem to be in favour of federalising our nation more, but what do you think about the demands to expand Brussels then? And if you're against it, why should they listen to our demands if we don't listen to theirs?
philippe
FYI, I chase trains.
Well, actually I'm a bit on a split track, the endgoal of what i want is an independent Flanders, but then one in a federal Europe, but till that is viable, there is no harm working together with our Wallonian friends.
(it's a matter of time really before we can have an united europe (and we must all strive it will not be an neo-liberal one))
Expanding Brussels is inevitable, come on, if we want to be the capital of europe, we have to be ambitious. The question is, will it be an English-speaking or an French-speaking brussels? So yeah, I'm willing to give the Wallonians their precious corridor to Brussels, it will be useless in the end anyway.
And then we can make some decent politicians work on BHV and on other issues without getting emotional or flag-wavering.
The problem i think lays within our party system
Let's check it:
CD & V: a party that struggles between a populist, aggresive, neo-liberal Flemish nationalist sound and a nepotistic old crocodile sound: no thanks in both ways.
Open VLD, although home to a politician I really respect in foreign affairs, De Gucht ( a true humanist and democratic smart politician), still smells a bit rotten, Luckily Dedecker took a lot of these powermonglers with him. but overall, the party doesn't have any vision without Verhofstadt and is now the base of a foul machiavellic power ring.
S.P.A.: erik De Bruyne should have won, but I'm glad that our little own Gennez is choosing for opposition (so it won't hurt them more in the following elections) still voted for the party though, I don't want them to lose more vs those right-wing scumbags.
green: good young politicians, but also home to a bunch of nutjobs.
Vlaams-Belang: Scum. I will not waste more words on their wretched existence.
N-VA: i respect De Wever and i like him in some facets (he has shown some common sense) but i don't like him, his campaign or his policy (and bourgious is an idiot, go hump some Laura Lynn).
SPIRIT (or Flemish-Progressives, whatever): I voted for them, i read the program and i really, really like it. But i can't stand who is representing the program, foolish populists.
On the wallonian side:
P.S.: sorry, but they corrupted the socialistic ideals and became an autocratic, filthy corrupt party, I despise their betrayal to socialism.
M.R.: you have to got bad options if this is the only big opposition to the P.S.
Led by an ingrate mongoloid and Louis Michel is the only decent politician to ever come out of it, as long as he keeps on shaking hands.
The notional intrest reduction (i hope i didn't translated it wrong) is the worst idea of the decade.
CDH: worth listening to, but not having any chance to win anything (and i'm actually scared of their conservative wing, if Milquet falls, the CDH is going to be in bad shape)
Ecolo: i'm sorry I don't know that much about them, might have to work on them.
FDF: a tool used by all parties to put some pressure on the Flemish parties and not really of any significance.
FN: cons.
all parties: bringing your sons and daughters into politics sounds too much like nobility and i hate them for it. All a bunch off overpretentious failures because they lack the spine and time to actually realise something on a small scale before being launched into a higher post and totally ruining it.
on a special note:
PVDA: I like the PVDA, but I don't want them to grow big, i don't want to see a good party ruined by any powerhungry slimebags, a good vocal opposition is good enough, and luckily somebody partially listens to them (but not enough, remember the Kiwi-system?)
LDD: I don't like his party, all populists and short-term thinkers. But as an West-Flemish provincial boy, he does has some appeal on me (although I'd never vote for such a bloated guy), Dedecker is just so... West-Flemish...
Exactly, so why not split it and make an electoral region that falls together with the provincial borders, just like in the rest of Belgium? Why make an exception for B-H-V?
It is no big deal, so vote it, dammit!
The thing is, it'll not happen.
And if it does, it will not be the end of Belgium. This whole BHV-thing was just something put on the electional agenda to gain Flemish separatist votes from the start. It's just way too complex to archieve a separation in a democratic country where one half has nothing to gain from the separaration and the other half is separated about whetheror not to separate.
And if it does, it will not be the end of Belgium. This whole BHV-thing was just something put on the electional agenda to gain Flemish separatist votes from the start. It's just way too complex to archieve a separation in a democratic country where one half has nothing to gain from the separaration and the other half is separated about whetheror not to separate.
Stapel
FIAT 850 coupé
You're not falling apart yet?
Don't worry, it will. Eventually, Belgium will seize to exist, for the simple reason it was a ridiculous invention in the first place. Flanders can easily continue as a republic, whereas the corrupt socialist Walloons can join their French counterparts.
