We're talking about historical candidates for science civs. I was saying that Babylon, Korea, Greece were all nice and well, but they pale to the civs of enlightenment. Of course you can argue that England gets an indirect +2 yield for research labs. They are fine. I don't have anything against an "industrial" England, I was just saying that I somehow feel the choice of "science" civs in civilization is a bit quirky. Newton developed the theory of gravity. Electricity, railroads, factories etc. were developed in France, England, Italy, Germany. If you feel better, make France or Germany a science civ. I don't care which one you pick.