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Assyrians!

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by Steamwerks, Mar 15, 2013.

  1. Steamwerks

    Steamwerks Warlord

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    That siege engine is unmistakable! The fact that it's sharing the same map as the Polish rules out a scenario, so I guess they're as good as confirmed, which is awesome news! I wonder what leader they're going to select? Ashurbanipal seems like a likely candidate both for his military exploits and love of letters. He's also a Grade A Monty-caliber psycho! In addition to the siege engine UU, it's probably reasonable to anticipate a library or garden UB. There are a lot of possibilities for the UA, but my guess is it will treat empire-building, vassalage, or forced population migration in some way. Redistributing population from conquered cities into either raw population or permanent free specialists in your core cities could be a really fun mechanic. :)
     
  2. otaman1

    otaman1 Prince

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    There are only 2 new scenarios according to this:
    http://www.civilization5.com/bravenewworld/

    On the other hand, Poland was never around when Assyria was around. They came about 1000 years after Assyria had gone extinct.
     
  3. Steamwerks

    Steamwerks Warlord

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    Yes, that was what I was suggesting. :)
     
  4. steveg700

    steveg700 Deity

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    For a UA, I'm betting on the masharti (barracks).
     
  5. Yubnub

    Yubnub Chieftain

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    I'm betting Semiramis to be the leader for Assyria. Extremely famous compared to other Assyrian rulers with numerous appearances in operas, plays, paintings, novels, and films. Semiramide is also my favorite Rossini opera so I'm a little biased. :p
     
  6. Louis XXIV

    Louis XXIV Le Roi Soleil

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    She only ruled for four years. I would argue that Ashurbanipal II is far more famous and others who were even better than him. Even if we're drawing from literature, Sennacherib is probably more famous (he also has biblical significance if that's what they care about given the use of Nebby).
     
  7. Eagle Pursuit

    Eagle Pursuit Scir-Gerefa

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    Ashurbanipal II is about the only one that I learned about in that one paragraph that covered the Assyrians in my world history class in High School. He seems the most likely to lead to me.

    I think that the Assyrian UA is going to involve the new culture system. Maybe taking cities will help push their culture into neighboring civs.
     
  8. Yubnub

    Yubnub Chieftain

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    I don't believe that reign duration has played a significant part in the criteria for picking Civs and at the very least is not a death-knell. I forgot about Ashurbanipal but I still think Semiramis is more famous than either him or Sennacherib. If the criteria for picking civs were based solely on historical importance then Ashurbanipal would be a given, absolutely. However, Semiramis adds diversity and flavor which plays a large part in which leaders are chosen to represent a civilization.

    I am going to say that Ashurbanipal seems like a safe first choice for Assyria, but I'm still hoping for variety. :)

    Edit: When I say "more famous" I mean in the realm of the Arts and not in a purely historical context. I should have made that clearer.
     
  9. Arachnofiend

    Arachnofiend Perturbed Pugilist

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    Semiramis also happens to be a woman and Firaxis seems to have been taking special care at being gender inclusive with this iteration of the game (though it got a bit silly with Dido).
     
  10. ales_

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    Why? In my opinion, Dido is better than Hannibal. She was a ruler, while he was a general.
     
  11. turingmachine

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    Well, Hannibal was also a Carthaginian suffete, meaning he was a political leader for a while.
     
  12. Arachnofiend

    Arachnofiend Perturbed Pugilist

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    They're both terrible honestly. Hannibal is famous for losing and Dido is probably just a myth.

    I don't know enough about the Classical Era to pick out a good ruler for them. It doesn't help that our knowledge of them is molded around Rome's less than nice opinion of the civ.
     
  13. Haig

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    I don't know ancient history that well and don't have history books on that subject, how would you describe what Assyria will probably be like? Warmongers? Religious? What were they famous for?

    Only thing I know is they made piles of enemy skulls..
     
  14. Arachnofiend

    Arachnofiend Perturbed Pugilist

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    Assyria is a big time warmonger civ. They believed that if they ever lost a battle it would bring about the end of the world. This became a very serious problem for internal politics when they did eventually lose a battle.

    One of the interesting things they did was kidnap the scholars and other such people from conquered civs and bring them to Assyria. This isn't unique to Assyria (Babylon famously did the same which is how Daniel and company ended up there) but I think they were the first? Granted this is coming from vague memories of my sophomore World History class so I may be off on some things, haha.
     
  15. Rob (R8XFT)

    Rob (R8XFT) Ancient Briton Super Moderator

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    I agree that this might be a reason to have Semiramis; also there was a popular fan-made leaderhead of her in Civ IV - Firaxis do look through the forums at fan-made items on a regular basis, but who knows?

    Firaxis may go with Tiglath-Pileser III, who took over a weakened military, but turned it round and quickly expanded the borders of Assyria, controlling Syria with the intent of having a base from which to trade with the west and the Eastern Med.

    What could the siege tower replace? It could be the spearman (as per Attila's battering ram) or even the archer - making it an archer who wasn't so easy to take out with your melee units?

    I think that the Assyrians will have a second UU rather than a UB, and that it'll be a heavy chariot, probably working in a similar way to the Hittite UU in the Wonders DLC.
     
  16. Pembroke

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    Yes, number one reason is that she's female and number two is that your average non-historian guy has even heard from her in the context of the Hanging Gardens which are already part of the Civ-game-mythos. This, of course, completely regardless that being a female in Assyria was a bummer power-wise and that the she did not build the Wonder in the first place. But such is the power of popular recognizion factor and marketing. :)

    Of course, I can enjoy a good rendering of a scantily clad queen as much as your next guy, so bringeth forth the Assyrian Might, I say... :love:
     
  17. Louis XXIV

    Louis XXIV Le Roi Soleil

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    That's true. I've been trying to think of hypothetical civs and female choices. Assyria was such a martial society, which makes a female leader weird. But it's certainly possible. It'll also help distinguish the two Akkadian speakers (or, if she speaks Aramaic). It's still not my preference, though.

    Dido was a mythological person. Hannibal did in fact rule after the Second Punic War where he fought corruption and improved the efficiency of Carthaginian revenue to the point where they were able to pay off their debts to Rome early (Rome refused).
     
  18. strijder20

    strijder20 Wallowing in irony

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    Oh, and I thought it was a tank to mock the fictional charge of the winged Hussars at German panzers.
    That would be a really bad PR stunt on hindsight.

    Isn't Poland in North Africa?
     
  19. Gucumatz

    Gucumatz JS, secretly Rod Serling

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    It has an ice/snow start bias. So try Antarctica instead
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    But yep the Polish nationalists finally got their civ, so congrats
     
  20. HeraldtheGreat

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    I just had an idea, they'll be able to move population from annexed cities! It would be perfect for this expansion, considering they're adding caravans now! The Assyrians are also fairly well known for it. I think that they'll be able to move citizens with caravans and merchant fleets, like production or food.

    And he had a last name. ;)
     

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