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Asylum Seekers Should Work and be Welcome in Our Country

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by scotland_no1, May 28, 2003.

  1. scotland_no1

    scotland_no1 Jimmy Hat Salesman

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    I was thinking that asylum seekers should be welcome in scotland. scotland requires many more workers, especially skilled ones, with such a small population we need emmigration, in england the governments laws help them a lot by not allowing asylum seekers to work. in scotland that is the opposite, asylum seekers wnat to work but the government only wnats what is good for england and not scotland, do you think that asylum seekers should work for the better good of the nation, or do you think they should all go back home like the BNP faciasts want.

    scotland has its own parliament but we cannot decide what is the best for our nation in some aspects, our nations needs these asylum seekers to work, and they would prefer to work rather than living on government benefit in a small flat in the poorest areas. i say let them work and let the contribute to society, this is what i would say should happen as a communist and a socialist, what do other people with diffirent political views think?
     
  2. addiv

    addiv Hero of our time

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    Well I totally agree with you. These asylum seekers want to work, and in the western countries, we need more work force to support the pensions. And the other advantage you mentioned: they won't cost the government so much money anymore if they're allowed to work.
    Sadly there's a lot of antipathy lately against these people who seek a better life in the western countries. But hopefully that will change, also because it will turn out that they'll be needed to support the economy.
     
  3. scotland_no1

    scotland_no1 Jimmy Hat Salesman

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    i saw a program on it a few days back, the asylum seekers definetely didnt wan tto leave their homes, they had maids and a big house with abig garden, would you wnat to leave that? well they didnt but that proves they had to. would the BNP wnat to send them back so they just get killed? that is immoral and wrong, many of the asylum seekers were doctors, lawyers, engineers, electricians, builders, nurses and many other important jobs, they could really help our country with is in need of people like this. i say we let them work since there are many free jobs i nthis country, and the people who complain about their jobs getting used up by the asylum seekers are the people who are too lazy to get of theri backside and get a job now, the unemployed who are living of ebenfit. but have nothign wrong with them and say they cant fins a job are to lazy to get one, there are many open job places across the country, even working in mcdonalds pays more than government benefit, if i was unemployed an that was the only job i could get then i would take it.
     
  4. MrPresident

    MrPresident Anglo-Saxon Liberal

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    I fully support an increase in legal immigration so we could allow more economic migrates into our country. However aslyum seekers are not economic migrates and should not be considered as such. Anyone who claims aslyum in this country must be judged on the validity on their claim. If their claim is seen as bogus or not valid enough then they should be deported. If they wish to try to enter this country as an economic migrate then they should be allowed to do so. We need to control immigration not just for assimilation reasons but above all for security reasons. We cannot allow terrorists to enter our country.
     
  5. scotland_no1

    scotland_no1 Jimmy Hat Salesman

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    yes i fully accept your point, but many of the asylum seekers in scotland have been there for over 5 years living on government benefit, many of them skilled thye could be useful to the economy of my country, i still say we should try to stop them getting in as we are now, but if they do get in and are in then i think we should let them work for money, they want to do it and we wnat them to do it, we should all be treated equally and then we can boost the economy, and in turn our puplic services and povert, and begin to work more on helpoing the enviroment.
     
  6. Thadlerian

    Thadlerian Dreamin' of a RED X-mas!

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    I agree, though that goes for Norway in my case.
     
  7. MrPresident

    MrPresident Anglo-Saxon Liberal

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    scotland_no1, you want to stop them coming but you want to use them if they get here. Bit of a double standard, isn't it? And stop confusing aslyum seekers with economic migrants. Aslyum seekers are here because they can't go back to their home country. Economic migrants are here to work. If you want more skilled workers then encourage more economic migrants, though I wouldn't because of the whole "brain drain" issue. We should only let aslyum seekers become part of the wider community when they are approved as real aslyum seekers otherwise it makes it very complicated to deport them.
     
  8. Ohwell

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    Asylum Seekers shouldn't be allowed in in huge numbers unless they plan to work, support themselves and stay for a while.
     
  9. EdwardTking

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    I agree.
     
  10. MrPresident

    MrPresident Anglo-Saxon Liberal

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    So we should send them back to be tortured, raped and murdered?
     
  11. Bose

    Bose Antipodean

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    Well said. Any of these asylum seekers that don't have a valid claim are just queue jumpers and should be treated as such.
     
  12. John Wayne USA

    John Wayne USA Duke says 'Lets Roll!'

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    When it comes to issues of immigration...........I always ask myself............what would Vote BNP say????



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    (AHHH, JUST KIDDING! DONT FEED ME TO THE WOLVES QUITE YET!)
     
  13. allhailIndia

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    I think countries should be vigilant to stamp out illegal immigration in which immigrants usually end up in sweat shops working till they drop or in brothels.:(
     
  14. Anti-EUA

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    just curious: where does most of asylum seekers in england and scotland come from?
     
  15. allhailIndia

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    IIRC, majority are from South Asia, though a significant number also come from Sub-Saharan and Saharan Africa.
     
  16. MrPresident

    MrPresident Anglo-Saxon Liberal

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    allhailIndia, I think a lot come from North Africa and the Middle East as well. Basically the areas where people have some money but not a lot.
     
  17. Pillager

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    Many come from Eastern Europe, too.
     
  18. allhailIndia

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    The point is that quite a large number of them are brutally exploited from the time the leave the shores of their home country to the time they eventually end up in a "safe" country. Most of the exploitation is done by their fellow countrymen, esp the criminal gangs which operate in their countries.

    I appeal to the EU countries and Britain to have some checks on the immigration and asylum seekers so that they don't end up as slaves in the 21st Century.
     
  19. Yago

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    I think Allhailindia as the right of it. As long as their is no political solution in European nations for a fair-way dealing with immigration, they're will that kind of abuse, Allhailindia mentioned. And Europeans love to mix immigrants for economical reason with asylum-seekers, which are fleeing to save their lifes. And on the other hand, I've never heard:"Stop those immigrants from cleaning public-toilets, let the (insert one of the European nationalities here) do it!"
     
  20. scotland_no1

    scotland_no1 Jimmy Hat Salesman

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    emmigration for scotland is a good thing, but we have a problem up here, our parliament doesnt decide what happens to immegrants, the one in london does, although many scottish MP's have fought for diffirent rules on immegration in scotland, we still have to follow the english rules, which is not benefitial to our country at all. the english rules dont allow asylum seekers to work, normally they dont get to work for about 5 yers, scotland needs workers, so we need a law change up here.
     

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